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>
> *
> xmltv
> *
> mysql-server
> *
> libqt3-mt
> *
> libqt3-mt-dev
> *
> libmp3lame0
> *
> libmp3lame-dev
> *
> x11proto-video-dev0
> *
> libxxf86vm-dev
> *
> libgl1-mesa-dev
> *
> ffmpeg
> *
> libqt3-mt-mysql
> *
> php5-mysql
> *
> python-mysqldb (For archiving, burning DVDs)
> *
> mjpegtools (For archiving, burning DVDs)
> *
> libnet-upnp-perl
> *
> yasm
> *
> libmysql-devel
> *
> mythtv-python
> *
> libqt4-sql-mysql
> *
> libasound2-dev
>
> Thanks for 10 years of MythTV!
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Martin

Why did you compile it yourself?

Why didn't you just install from the repos using apt-get and all the
dependencies would have been picked up?
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On 12-08-07 05:13 AM, Another Sillyname wrote:
>
> Why did you compile it yourself?

Indeed. I wondered the exact same thing myself.

> Why didn't you just install from the repos using apt-get and all the
> dependencies would have been picked up?

OP's complaint comes off sounding like:

I've been an automobile driver for nearly ten years now. I'm also lucky
enough to have some auto-mechanic skills. I pity the poor
automobile driver who doesn't have a very broad range of skills with
building cars and auto-mechanics in general.

Of course, everyone's answer to that is "if building your own automobile
is no fun, and indeed such a pain for you, why don't you just go and get
one of them already built for you?".

Mythbuntu for example is an entire Linux distribution including Mythtv.
[.I presume -- I am absolutely certain I will be corrected if I am
wrong] you pop the install medium into your machine, boot it, go for
coffee and (roughly) come back to a working Mythtv machine.

Cheers,
b.

On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:13:22AM +0100, Another Sillyname wrote:
> >

[myth build dependencies]

> > Thanks for 10 years of MythTV!
> > Martin
> >
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>
> Martin
>
> Why did you compile it yourself?
>
> Why didn't you just install from the repos using apt-get and all the
> dependencies would have been picked up?

Alternatively "apt-get build-dep" would achieve much the same thing.
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Well that what Linux is all about it only installs what you want. You can
avoid issues by geting MythTV distro.
On Aug 7, 2012 7:37 AM, "jedi" <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:13:22AM +0100, Another Sillyname wrote:
> > >
>
> [myth build dependencies]
>
> > > Thanks for 10 years of MythTV!
> > > Martin
> > >
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> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Why did you compile it yourself?
> >
> > Why didn't you just install from the repos using apt-get and all the
> > dependencies would have been picked up?
>
> Alternatively "apt-get build-dep" would achieve much the same thing.
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On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 07:40:08AM -0600, jacek burghardt wrote:
> Well that what Linux is all about it only installs what you want. You can
> avoid issues by geting MythTV distro.

In practice, there is very little difference between such a distribution
and a normal one where a single extra apt-get command has been invoked.

That's one of the more nifty features of Linux.

> On Aug 7, 2012 7:37 AM, "jedi" <jedi@mishnet.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:13:22AM +0100, Another Sillyname wrote:
> > > >
> >
> > [myth build dependencies]
> >
> > > > Thanks for 10 years of MythTV!
> > > > Martin
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > Why did you compile it yourself?
> > >
> > > Why didn't you just install from the repos using apt-get and all the
> > > dependencies would have been picked up?
> >
> > Alternatively "apt-get build-dep" would achieve much the same thing.
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Hi

On Tuesday, 7 August 2012, Martin Brown wrote:

>
> The starting point for any MythTV documentation should be a _complete_
> list of packages needing to be added to the
> standard distributions before most of it will work successfully. Here's my
> list to be getting on with:
>
> *
> xmltv
> *
> mysql-server
> *
> libqt3-mt
> *
> libqt3-mt-dev
> *
>
> libqt3-mt-mysql
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>
> Thanks for 10 years of MythTV!
> Martin
>
>
>
That list would have been a good start 10 years ago. However, myth moved to
using qt 4 from version 0.22 , released 3 years ago.

I can certainly imagine your issues compiling mythtv when you don't even
use the right version of qt.

As mentioned, doing sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv would have installed all
you needed to build

What about sudo apt-get install mythtv

On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 06:49:41PM +1000, Martin Brown wrote:
> I've been a MythTV user for nearly ten years now. I'm also lucky enough to have some UNIX admin skills. I pity the poor
> MythTV-er who doesn't have a very broad range of skills with UNIX and programming in general.
>
> I had to upgrade my whole system this week owing to some failed hardware and I really hoped that it would be as simple as:
> 1. Install a recent Linux distribution (I chose the latest Mint, Maya)
> 2. Download, compile and install the MythTV distribution
> 3. Re-do the mythtv-setup
> 4. Get back to enjoying MythTV

Here's what I did recently after a major hardware failure:

1. Install Debian stable.
2. Add a mirror of the deb-multimedia repo (one line add in /etc/apt/sources.list)
3. apt-get update; apt-get install mythtv
4. load my database from backup
5. redo my lirc remote settings
6. run mythtv-setup, deleting all recorders and sources, then
putting them back again
7. set up the window manager to autologin and start mythfrontend
8. enjoy MythTV

-dsr-
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If you ever wondered why, despite all of its advantages, Linux has never
taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this thread.

... and so now let the flames fly!

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>> Linux has never taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this thread.

I can't speak for everybody else, but I've never wanted it to.

Doug


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On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 12:14:03PM -0500, Joe Henley wrote:
> If you ever wondered why, despite all of its advantages, Linux has
> never taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this
> thread.

MythTV can be installed like some iPhone app with everything it
needs including the things that you would need to download "Shark007"
for on Windows and somehow this is supposed to be an example of the
"but if only we did things right" fallacy?
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> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 12:14:03PM -0500, Joe Henley wrote:
> > If you ever wondered why, despite all of its advantages, Linux has
> > never taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this
> > thread.
>
> MythTV can be installed like some iPhone app with everything it
> needs including the things that you would need to download "Shark007"
> for on Windows and somehow this is supposed to be an example of the
> "but if only we did things right" fallacy?


I don't think he is trying to suggest that something is wrong with Linux...
its the users who make it more complicated than it needs to be. At least
that's what I hope he was trying to say.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Joseph Fry <joe@thefrys.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 12:14:03PM -0500, Joe Henley wrote:
>> > If you ever wondered why, despite all of its advantages, Linux has
>> > never taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this
>> > thread.
>>
>> MythTV can be installed like some iPhone app with everything it
>> needs including the things that you would need to download "Shark007"
>> for on Windows and somehow this is supposed to be an example of the
>> "but if only we did things right" fallacy?
>
>
> I don't think he is trying to suggest that something is wrong with Linux...
> its the users who make it more complicated than it needs to be. At least
> that's what I hope he was trying to say.
>
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I was in the middle of a response, but if that is what he is trying to
say then I would half agree. I know users that have made it way harder
to do something than it actually is (but heck, that happens on Windows
too)

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On 7 August 2012 18:14, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> If you ever wondered why, despite all of its advantages, Linux has never
> taken over the desktop, all you need to do is read this thread.
>
> ... and so now let the flames fly!
>
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and yet I can imagine the upcoming Windows 8 support calls......

"You need to touch the 2nd square on your laptop screen Sir"

in a confused voice "But my screen doesn't do anything when I touch it"

"I'm sorry Sir I'm afraid in that case you've made a mistake in the
choice of your hardware platform and need to take it up with your
vendor.....Goodbye"
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Well, first off, thanks for the (much more so than I expected...) gentle
replies.

And since there's some uncertainty as to the "meaning" of my brief
comment, let me clarify. While I hesitate to try to explain another
person's comments, I'll explain what I got from the OP's note. He's a
fan of Myth; been at it for ten years. He has some Unix admin and
related coding skills; he's ahead of most users (but I'd guess he
probably doesn't think he's ahead of most Myth developers). He's having
problems with a Myth install and thinks that if he's having problems,
then many, many users will too. He says that one of the things which
would help him is complete documentation (and my little add-on would be
"current and thorough"); and it would obviously help those users who are
less skilled than he.

(Martin, sorry if I've missed your point.)

There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
please_ to help him install a product which he likes.

So now for the point of my note. We've told the OP to F'off. We didn't
answer his request. Some of us were sarcastic about his approach; some
condescending. Some of us displayed out 'nix proficiency with "apt-get
this" or "doda sqat that." None of us answered his very reasonable
request.

If you doubt my dark perspective on the thread, re-read it. It is not
"customer friendly." (I'd call it "customer hostile," but since you've
been "gentle" with me, I'll be so as well).

Oh, and why do we need to be "customer friendly"? The answer to that is
why I struck the analogy to Linux on the desktop.

(Martin, sorry for stealing your thread.)




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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.

The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.

Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
20+ dependencies.

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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Well, first off, thanks for the (much more so than I expected...) gentle
> replies.
>
> And since there's some uncertainty as to the "meaning" of my brief comment,
> let me clarify. While I hesitate to try to explain another person's
> comments, I'll explain what I got from the OP's note. He's a fan of Myth;
> been at it for ten years. He has some Unix admin and related coding skills;
> he's ahead of most users (but I'd guess he probably doesn't think he's ahead
> of most Myth developers). He's having problems with a Myth install and
> thinks that if he's having problems, then many, many users will too. He
> says that one of the things which would help him is complete documentation
> (and my little add-on would be "current and thorough"); and it would
> obviously help those users who are less skilled than he.
>
> (Martin, sorry if I've missed your point.)
>
> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
>
> So now for the point of my note. We've told the OP to F'off. We didn't
> answer his request. Some of us were sarcastic about his approach; some
> condescending. Some of us displayed out 'nix proficiency with "apt-get
> this" or "doda sqat that." None of us answered his very reasonable request.
> If you doubt my dark perspective on the thread, re-read it. It is not
> "customer friendly." (I'd call it "customer hostile," but since you've been
> "gentle" with me, I'll be so as well).
>
> Oh, and why do we need to be "customer friendly"? The answer to that is why
> I struck the analogy to Linux on the desktop.
>
> (Martin, sorry for stealing your thread.)
>
>
>
>
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Dan Ritter listed the 8 steps on what he needed to do to get a working
system. Numerous other people have explained one way or another why he
was doing it the hard way. Sometimes you need to read between the
lines and see what the user is wants to accomplish, not what they are
asking. I've been playing in the dirt since I was a small boy, but if
I ask an excavator how to dig out a foundation with a spoon I would
expect him to tell me I'm doing it wrong.

Thanks,

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> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
>> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
>> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
>
> The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
> not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
> mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
> instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
> dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
> developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.
>
> Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
> ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
> 20+ dependencies.

I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
install the latest Mythbuntu.

From those suggestions, what would be the expected result from using
'apt-get ....' on my Gentoo system for example - yup, got it in one -
" -bash: apt-get: command not found"

In other words, Linux != Mythbuntu, even for a MythTV install.



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>>
>> Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
>> ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
>> 20+ dependencies.
>
> I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
> installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
> install the latest Mythbuntu.
>
> From those suggestions, what would be the expected result from using
> 'apt-get ....' on my Gentoo system for example - yup, got it in one -
> " -bash: apt-get: command not found"
>
> In other words, Linux != Mythbuntu, even for a MythTV install.
>
>

Robin

Not putting too fine a point on it.....

Stop being a horses ar*e.

I was the first to reply to the OP and he specifically states that he
has installed Mint Maya.

Mint Maya is based upon Ubuntu and uses apt-get as it's repo handler.

If he'd said he was using Fedora I'd have said he should use yumex and
install the RPM Fusion repos to install myth but other repos existed.

Simplistically the reason everyone said to use apt-get was everyone
was responding to the information the OP had posted, this was an
answer only for him not a general installation guide for all users.

Rant Over!!
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On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Robin Gilks <g8ecj@gilks.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
>>> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
>>> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
>>
>> The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
>> not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
>> mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
>> instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
>> dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
>> developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.
>>
>> Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
>> ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
>> 20+ dependencies.
>
> I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
> installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
> install the latest Mythbuntu.
>
> From those suggestions, what would be the expected result from using
> 'apt-get ....' on my Gentoo system for example - yup, got it in one -
> " -bash: apt-get: command not found"
>
> In other words, Linux != Mythbuntu, even for a MythTV install.

While you are technically correct, it is fast becoming the case that
mythtv = mythbuntu (at least by default) for many people for a few
reasons, and I am not trying to be exhaustive, but:

1. general newbie user familiarity with ubuntu, combined with the fact
you can get a lot of other software that people also like to run on
their backend on ubuntu (case in point, logitech media server (LMS)).

2. only one other specialised mythtv distro now that mythdora is dead,
and that is LinHES. LinHES is a great product but doesn't have the
market penetration. It has a very dedicated, but quite small team. I
was asked on this list to submit a ticket to get LMS into LinHES, and
I did so, but so far I don't think its been looked at or assigned, let
alone done. That is unfortunately a deal breaker for me. Not a
criticism of the LinHES guys, just an example of the fact that a
smaller project may give you less options for "extras".

3. mythbuntu's very up to date packaging - both master and
latest-release-fixes up to date after every commit. This is pretty
important.

I know people will have other ideas about what is good, bad or
indifferent about their fave distro, and point out that they have been
running myth on slackware since 0.16 without a reboot, but for a user
looking for an easy experience and up to date packages, mythbuntu must
be near the top of their list.

I used to be a big gentoo fanboy, I ran gentoo installfests,
proseltised it till the cows came home (pun? sorry), but got too busy.
When I retire I might have time for it :)

One thing about mint is that it does have mythtv in it's repos, but
the mythbuntu repos do not (presently) work with mint.
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On 08/08/12 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Robin Gilks <g8ecj@gilks.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
>>>> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
>>>> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
>>> The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
>>> not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
>>> mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
>>> instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
>>> dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
>>> developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.
>>>
>>> Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
>>> ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
>>> 20+ dependencies.
>> I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
>> installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
>> install the latest Mythbuntu.
>>
>> From those suggestions, what would be the expected result from using
>> 'apt-get ....' on my Gentoo system for example - yup, got it in one -
>> " -bash: apt-get: command not found"
>>
>> In other words, Linux != Mythbuntu, even for a MythTV install.
> While you are technically correct, it is fast becoming the case that
> mythtv = mythbuntu (at least by default) for many people for a few
> reasons, and I am not trying to be exhaustive, but:
>
> 1. general newbie user familiarity with ubuntu, combined with the fact
> you can get a lot of other software that people also like to run on
> their backend on ubuntu (case in point, logitech media server (LMS)).
>
> 2. only one other specialised mythtv distro now that mythdora is dead,
> and that is LinHES. LinHES is a great product but doesn't have the
> market penetration. It has a very dedicated, but quite small team. I
> was asked on this list to submit a ticket to get LMS into LinHES, and
> I did so, but so far I don't think its been looked at or assigned, let
> alone done. That is unfortunately a deal breaker for me. Not a
> criticism of the LinHES guys, just an example of the fact that a
> smaller project may give you less options for "extras".
>
> 3. mythbuntu's very up to date packaging - both master and
> latest-release-fixes up to date after every commit. This is pretty
> important.
>
> I know people will have other ideas about what is good, bad or
> indifferent about their fave distro, and point out that they have been
> running myth on slackware since 0.16 without a reboot, but for a user
> looking for an easy experience and up to date packages, mythbuntu must
> be near the top of their list.
>
> I used to be a big gentoo fanboy, I ran gentoo installfests,
> proseltised it till the cows came home (pun? sorry), but got too busy.
> When I retire I might have time for it :)
>
> One thing about mint is that it does have mythtv in it's repos, but
> the mythbuntu repos do not (presently) work with mint.
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Well, that certainly stirred up the hornets nest! One of the best things about MythTV (and other Linux/UNIX apps) is the
involvement of a huge range of users and developers who come to the aid of other struggling users with (mostly) helpful
comments and suggestions.

The comments have been very valid, and yes, I could have just installed the MythTV packages. However, I'd still have
this (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525274) problem. Last time I used the distribution packages I
had another sound issue (or was it the dreaded lirc?) which I could only resolve with the latest source at the
time. Marius Ducea has some very apt comments here (http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/source-or-package-install/). I want
to unclutter the MythTV menus and not install packages that I don't use so a source build is needed. I'd also still have
to fix this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1004974) to fix the Mythbuntu theme which a "user" (ie. spouse)
spotted within two minutes of using the new system.

Next time, if I still want to build from source I'll be doing the apt-get build-dep first as suggested.

Brian's analogy with a car owner/mechanic is apt but if I could elaborate a bit:
I'm a "trained professional" with 25 years experience in designing, building and fixing engines of many
sorts. I'm OK with getting my hands dirty in order to get the car running the way I like with the appropriate features.
When I get the latest version of the fuel injection computer direct from the manufacturer, I really don't want to spend
hours on some problem only to find that the water pump that's been in the car for 5 years has to be upgraded as well and
without it, turning the ignition key only results in the machine back-firing and spitting the key out of the ignition
(ie. a segmentation fault). It would also be nice if the gear level didn't disappear into the engine compartment every
time the ignition is turned off because of some missing setting on the exhaust gas recirculation valve. And when I ask
for some advice from the local garage, I get the usual sage shaking of heads with "so you didn't read that bit on page
25 under "Before installing the injection computer on an Austin Healy" instead of just reading the "How to install the
injection computer" booklet that was in the box. I exaggerate, but you get the idea.

Thank you joehenley for summarising my request so succinctly. I've just found this:
http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dependencies_(Building_from_source)
<http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dependencies_%28Building_from_source%29> but it seems pretty out of date and incomplete.
It's also not linked from the main wiki docs page under "Checking Prerequisites, Software". Instead there's a suggestion
about running the apt-get build-dep if you're using Mythbuntu/Debian and a link to Jarod's blog about Fedora
installations, which again seems very out of date.

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>
> The comments have been very valid, and yes, I could have just installed the MythTV packages. However, I'd still have
> this (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525274) problem.

Martin

If I've understood you correctly when you exit from a playing video
you get a 'frozen snapshot' of the video that does not clear down to
the menus?

That could be a number of things......

1. Which graphics card are you using? If Nvidia are you using the
Nvidia driver or the Nouveau one?

2. Have you enabled desktop compositing?

3. What modes are you playing the videos in

Mythfrontend --> Setup --> Video --> Playback

Have you checked the system log immediately after an instance to see
if there are any reported errors?
Last time I used the distribution packages I


> had another sound issue (or was it the dreaded lirc?) which I could only resolve with the latest source at the
> time. Marius Ducea has some very apt comments here (http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/source-or-package-install/). I want
> to unclutter the MythTV menus and not install packages that I don't use so a source build is needed.

The Installation from the Mint repos allows you to choose pretty
specifically what apps and options you install, so menus are
decluttered. Rather then using apt-get from the command line use the
synaptic gui and choose the specific packages you want installed.

> I'd also still have to fix this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1004974) to fix the
> Mythbuntu theme which a "user" (ie. spouse) spotted within two minutes of using the new system.

Specific bug with fix offered that can be done whether you compile
yourself or repo install.


>
> Next time, if I still want to build from source I'll be doing the apt-get build-dep first as suggested.
>
> Brian's analogy with a car owner/mechanic is apt but if I could elaborate a bit:
> I'm a "trained professional" with 25 years experience in designing, building and fixing engines of many
> sorts. I'm OK with getting my hands dirty in order to get the car running the way I like with the appropriate features.
> When I get the latest version of the fuel injection computer direct from the manufacturer, I really don't want to spend
> hours on some problem only to find that the water pump that's been in the car for 5 years has to be upgraded as well and
> without it, turning the ignition key only results in the machine back-firing and spitting the key out of the ignition
> (ie. a segmentation fault). It would also be nice if the gear level didn't disappear into the engine compartment every
> time the ignition is turned off because of some missing setting on the exhaust gas recirculation valve. And when I ask
> for some advice from the local garage, I get the usual sage shaking of heads with "so you didn't read that bit on page
> 25 under "Before installing the injection computer on an Austin Healy" instead of just reading the "How to install the
> injection computer" booklet that was in the box. I exaggerate, but you get the idea.
>
> Thank you joehenley for summarising my request so succinctly. I've just found this:
> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dependencies_(Building_from_source)
> <http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dependencies_%28Building_from_source%29> but it seems pretty out of date and incomplete.
> It's also not linked from the main wiki docs page under "Checking Prerequisites, Software". Instead there's a suggestion
> about running the apt-get build-dep if you're using Mythbuntu/Debian and a link to Jarod's blog about Fedora
> installations, which again seems very out of date.
>

This is subjective and therefore I'll not get into it's merits either
way although I agree with your comment docs could be better, however
that could be said of a lot of IBM and Cisco kit and I've paid through
the nose for that in the past.
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On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Robin Gilks <g8ecj@gilks.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
>>>> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
>>>> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
>>>
>>> The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
>>> not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
>>> mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
>>> instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
>>> dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
>>> developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.
>>>
>>> Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
>>> ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
>>> 20+ dependencies.
>>
>> I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
>> installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
>> install the latest Mythbuntu.
>>
>> From those suggestions, what would be the expected result from using
>> 'apt-get ....' on my Gentoo system for example - yup, got it in one -
>> " -bash: apt-get: command not found"
>>
>> In other words, Linux != Mythbuntu, even for a MythTV install.
>
> While you are technically correct, it is fast becoming the case that
> mythtv = mythbuntu (at least by default) for many people for a few
> reasons, and I am not trying to be exhaustive, but:
>
> 1. general newbie user familiarity with ubuntu, combined with the fact
> you can get a lot of other software that people also like to run on
> their backend on ubuntu (case in point, logitech media server (LMS)).
>
> 2. only one other specialised mythtv distro now that mythdora is dead,
> and that is LinHES. LinHES is a great product but doesn't have the
> market penetration. It has a very dedicated, but quite small team. I
> was asked on this list to submit a ticket to get LMS into LinHES, and
> I did so, but so far I don't think its been looked at or assigned, let
> alone done. That is unfortunately a deal breaker for me. Not a
> criticism of the LinHES guys, just an example of the fact that a
> smaller project may give you less options for "extras".
>
> 3. mythbuntu's very up to date packaging - both master and
> latest-release-fixes up to date after every commit. This is pretty
> important.
>
> I know people will have other ideas about what is good, bad or
> indifferent about their fave distro, and point out that they have been
> running myth on slackware since 0.16 without a reboot, but for a user
> looking for an easy experience and up to date packages, mythbuntu must
> be near the top of their list.
>
> I used to be a big gentoo fanboy, I ran gentoo installfests,
> proseltised it till the cows came home (pun? sorry), but got too busy.
> When I retire I might have time for it :)
>
> One thing about mint is that it does have mythtv in it's repos, but
> the mythbuntu repos do not (presently) work with mint.
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Please let me know how the Mythbuntu repos don't work with Mint. Are
you specifically talking about the mythbuntu-repos configuration
utility? The repos can still be added manually and should work fine on
Mint.

Thanks,

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On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 01:26:43PM +1200, Robin Gilks wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Joe Henley <joehenley@kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >> There were a couple of replies which were helpful, but in the replies so
> >> far, not one -- NOT ONE -- has replied to his request. _Documentation
> >> please_ to help him install a product which he likes.
> >
> > The reason nobody has complied with his request is because it would
> > not be productive. There are much better ways to install or compile
> > mythtv then manually installing dependencies. Which he is asking for
> > instructions to do. Best way forward is to use apt to install mythtv
> > dependencies like other people have suggested in this thread. The
> > developers of apt designed a very powerful system. Use it.
> >
> > Now installing or compiling stuff for windows? That is a pain in the
> > ass and does require a wiki article explaining how to manually install
> > 20+ dependencies.
>
> I assume from all the replies that if ever anyone encounters a problem
> installing MythTV then they blow away their chosen distribution and
> install the latest Mythbuntu.

That might have to do with the guy that made the original query.

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>
> Well, that certainly stirred up the hornets nest! One of the best things
> about MythTV (and other Linux/UNIX apps) is the
> involvement of a huge range of users and developers who come to the aid
> of other struggling users with (mostly) helpful
> comments and suggestions.
>
> The comments have been very valid, and yes, I could have just installed
> the MythTV packages. However, I'd still have
> this (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525274) problem.
> Last time I used the distribution packages I
> had another sound issue (or was it the dreaded lirc?) which I could only
> resolve with the latest source at the
> time. Marius Ducea has some very apt comments here (
> http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/source-or-package-install/). I want
> to unclutter the MythTV menus and not install packages that I don't use so
> a source build is needed. I'd also still have
> to fix this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1004974) to fix
> the Mythbuntu theme which a "user" (ie. spouse)
> spotted within two minutes of using the new system.
>
>
I think we can all agree that Mythtv documentation is lacking somewhat.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but rather than asking someone else
to improve it, why don't you make it your personal mission. Perhaps write
a distribution agnostic compile-from-source guide (with notes for saving
time on your distro by using precompiled dependancies). Sure, it will take
a while, especially because your actually trying to figure everything out
as you go.

The reason that such documentation doesn't exist is because almost no one
does this, and those that do have no need for documentation. Perhaps you
can outline the reasons why someone would want to build it manually.

I know I have had reason to build from source in the past, to test a patch
for example. My first time through I was helped on the IRC channel, and of
course I didn't take notes so when it came up again I chose to just not
bother and wait for the patch to get added to trunk. Perhaps your guide
would actually encourage more people to participate in the development and
testing of Mythtv?

Good luck!

At 11:54 AM -0400 8/8/12, Joseph Fry wrote:
>Well, that certainly stirred up the hornets nest! One of the best
>things about MythTV (and other Linux/UNIX apps) is the
>involvement of a huge range of users and developers who come to the
>aid of other struggling users with (mostly) helpful
>comments and suggestions.
>
>The comments have been very valid, and yes, I could have just
>installed the MythTV packages. However, I'd still have
>this
>(<http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525274>http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/525274)
>problem. Last time I used the distribution packages I
>had another sound issue (or was it the dreaded lirc?) which I could
>only resolve with the latest source at the
>time. Marius Ducea has some very apt comments here
>(<http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/source-or-package-install/>http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/source-or-package-install/).
>I want
>to unclutter the MythTV menus and not install packages that I don't
>use so a source build is needed. I'd also still have
>to fix this
>(<https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1004974>https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/1004974)
>to fix the Mythbuntu theme which a "user" (ie. spouse)
>spotted within two minutes of using the new system.
>
>
>I think we can all agree that Mythtv documentation is lacking
>somewhat. Please don't take this the wrong way, but rather than
>asking someone else to improve it, why don't you make it your
>personal mission. Perhaps write a distribution agnostic
>compile-from-source guide (with notes for saving time on your distro
>by using precompiled dependancies). Sure, it will take a while,
>especially because your actually trying to figure everything out as
>you go.
>
>The reason that such documentation doesn't exist is because almost
>no one does this, and those that do have no need for documentation.
> Perhaps you can outline the reasons why someone would want to build
>it manually.
>
>...
Instead of documentation--read the source, of one of the packager's
recipes! I've been working on using MacPorts to build Myth. The
osx-packager.pl script was easy enough to follow to determine the
necessary dependencies on OS X. There are a couple of other
packaging scripts in the Packaging repository on GitHub. If they are
being used regularly, you have pretty good assurance that the
dependencies are complete and up-to-date. After that, the configure
script output summarizes what has been found or not. Lather, rinse
and repeat a couple (dozen) times and 'Bob's your uncle'!

Craig

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Joseph Fry <joe@thefrys.com> wrote:
> I know I have had reason to build from source in the past, to test a patch
> for example.

But for a non-mythTV developer, the easiest way to test a patch
designed for a current release is to start with the source for the
packaged release for your distribution and modify that, rather than
downloading tarballs from mythTV directly.

For Debian derivatives, it's something like:

apt-get source mythtv
apt-get build-dep mythtv
[patch source]
dpkg-buildpackage
dpkg -i mythtv*.deb

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Thomas Mashos <thomas@mashos.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Nick Rout <nick.rout@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One thing about mint is that it does have mythtv in it's repos, but
>> the mythbuntu repos do not (presently) work with mint.
>
> Please let me know how the Mythbuntu repos don't work with Mint. Are
> you specifically talking about the mythbuntu-repos configuration
> utility? The repos can still be added manually and should work fine on
> Mint.
>
> Thanks,

Ahh that is excellent to know. Yes I meant the automatic configuration
doesn't work. I believe because the distro names are different (maya
vs precise etc) .

I am not actually running myth on my mint laptop yet as the rest of my
setup is still on 0.24 and mint maya will install 0.25, But when I go
to 0.25 all round it's good to know the repos will work.
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I think I've finally resolved all my issues with the assistance of the comments in this thread and elsewhere:

For reference, in case anyone has googled:
- Linux Mint 13 / Maya
- Mate / Gnome 2
- MythTV 0.25
- NVIDIA 9800 GT
- Realtek RTL2832U from DigitalNow in Canberra (because three tuners just isn't quite enough sometimes)

I had several issues including:
- Lack of the alsa sound firmware crashed the frontend
- No anti-aliasing
- Still video image remains on top of the menus after escape
- Really bad tearing of the picture
and some others which would have been resolved if I'd done an "apt-get build-dep" in the first place as pointed out.

1. First off, fix the apt sources.list to replace "maya" with "precise" everywhere except for packages.linuxmint.com
before doing a post-installation package update. (MythTV wouldn't even compile without this)
2. As detailed in the DigitalNow website, download the RealTek linux driver from github, build and install.
3. For the build-it-yourself MythTV system, download the latest MythTV and MythPlugins
4. Run apt-get build-dep mythtv
5. configure the MythTV build with --enable-vdpau
6. Build and install MythTV and the plugins
7. Run mythtv-setup add configure in the tuners
8. Run the shepherd program guide gathering system setup
9. In the frontend, set the Setup -> Video -> Playback Profile to vdpau High Quality
10. Run " nvidia-xconfig --no-composite" as suggested on the MythTV VDPAU wiki page
11. Fix the mythbuntu theme recordings-ui.xml
12. In the Mate Desktop Settings -> Windows -> enable "Use Gnome Compositing"
13. Install the mythbackend startup script and run /usr/lib/insseve/insserv to configure it for the various startup levels
14. Set up ntp to keep the time accurate

So basically, there was still a lot of hand assembly and fixing required after the basic builds and installs.

Thanks to those who offered constructive assistance.

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Martin Brown <junki@internode.on.net> wrote:
> I think I've finally resolved all my issues with the assistance of the comments in this thread and elsewhere:
>
> For reference, in case anyone has googled:
> - Linux Mint 13 / Maya
> - Mate / Gnome 2
> - MythTV 0.25
> - NVIDIA 9800 GT
> - Realtek RTL2832U from DigitalNow in Canberra (because three tuners just isn't quite enough sometimes)
>
> I had several issues including:
> - Lack of the alsa sound firmware crashed the frontend
> - No anti-aliasing
> - Still video image remains on top of the menus after escape
> - Really bad tearing of the picture
> and some others which would have been resolved if I'd done an "apt-get build-dep" in the first place as pointed out.
>
> 1. First off, fix the apt sources.list to replace "maya" with "precise" everywhere except for packages.linuxmint.com
> before doing a post-installation package update. (MythTV wouldn't even compile without this)
> 2. As detailed in the DigitalNow website, download the RealTek linux driver from github, build and install.
> 3. For the build-it-yourself MythTV system, download the latest MythTV and MythPlugins
> 4. Run apt-get build-dep mythtv
> 5. configure the MythTV build with --enable-vdpau
> 6. Build and install MythTV and the plugins
> 7. Run mythtv-setup add configure in the tuners
> 8. Run the shepherd program guide gathering system setup
> 9. In the frontend, set the Setup -> Video -> Playback Profile to vdpau High Quality
> 10. Run " nvidia-xconfig --no-composite" as suggested on the MythTV VDPAU wiki page
> 11. Fix the mythbuntu theme recordings-ui.xml
> 12. In the Mate Desktop Settings -> Windows -> enable "Use Gnome Compositing"
> 13. Install the mythbackend startup script and run /usr/lib/insseve/insserv to configure it for the various startup levels
> 14. Set up ntp to keep the time accurate
>
> So basically, there was still a lot of hand assembly and fixing required after the basic builds and installs.
>
> Thanks to those who offered constructive assistance.
>
> Martin
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You compiled from source. Wouldn't hand assembly and fixing be
expected even after the basic build and install? The MythTV devs
aren't going to add stuff like the upstart scripts to MythTV as that
would make zero sense on a Redhat system.

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On 08/11/2012 07:31 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
> I think I've finally resolved all my issues with the assistance of the comments in this thread and elsewhere:
>
> For reference, in case anyone has googled:
> - Linux Mint 13 / Maya
> - Mate / Gnome 2
> - MythTV 0.25
> - NVIDIA 9800 GT
> - Realtek RTL2832U from DigitalNow in Canberra (because three tuners just isn't quite enough sometimes)
>
> I had several issues including:
> - Lack of the alsa sound firmware crashed the frontend
> - No anti-aliasing
> - Still video image remains on top of the menus after escape
> - Really bad tearing of the picture
> and some others which would have been resolved if I'd done an "apt-get build-dep" in the first place as pointed out.
>
> 1. First off, fix the apt sources.list to replace "maya" with "precise" everywhere except for packages.linuxmint.com
> before doing a post-installation package update. (MythTV wouldn't even compile without this)
> 2. As detailed in the DigitalNow website, download the RealTek linux driver from github, build and install.
> 3. For the build-it-yourself MythTV system, download the latest MythTV and MythPlugins
> 4. Run apt-get build-dep mythtv
> 5. configure the MythTV build with --enable-vdpau

FWIW, there is no (good) reason to specify --enable-vdpau. It's enabled
automatically if (and only if) you have properly installed libvdpau. If
you haven't properly installed libvdpau, you will need to before
--enable-vdpau will actually enable VDPAU, so... (Note that this is why
the ./configure --help shows the option, "--disable-vdpau"--which you
would use if you've installed libvdpau, but your libvdpau install is
broken and (for some reason) you don't want to fix it. Note, also, that
libvdpau is independent of NVIDIA drivers, so having libvdpau
installed/configuring MythTV such that it enables VDPAU and using it on
an AMD-based-graphics system is not a case of "install is broken.")

> 6. Build and install MythTV and the plugins
> 7. Run mythtv-setup add configure in the tuners
> 8. Run the shepherd program guide gathering system setup
> 9. In the frontend, set the Setup -> Video -> Playback Profile to vdpau High Quality
> 10. Run " nvidia-xconfig --no-composite" as suggested on the MythTV VDPAU wiki page
> 11. Fix the mythbuntu theme recordings-ui.xml

Have you submitted a bug report about Mythbuntu theme's
recordings-ui.xml breakage--with patch, ideally?

https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/Mythbuntu/issues and/or even just
sending an e-mail with the appropriate information to this list is
likely to get the issue noticed so that it can be fixed for everyone else.

> 12. In the Mate Desktop Settings -> Windows -> enable "Use Gnome Compositing"
> 13. Install the mythbackend startup script and run /usr/lib/insseve/insserv to configure it for the various startup levels
> 14. Set up ntp to keep the time accurate
>
> So basically, there was still a lot of hand assembly and fixing required after the basic builds and installs.
>
> Thanks to those who offered constructive assistance.

Note that that "hand assembly and fixing" is exactly what a MythTV
distro (such as Mythbuntu and LinHES) is all about. Mythbuntu is
nothing more than Ubuntu that's already been properly configured (at the
low level) for MythTV use--including choice of and configuration of an
appropriate desktop environment/window manager, configuration of
underlying sound system, etc. If you start with plain-vanilla Ubuntu
and install MythTV on top of that--and do it properly--at the end,
you'll basically have just done all the work that the Mythbuntu guys
already did (or, if you use the Mythbuntu repos, you'll have done all
the low-level system configuration work that the Mythbuntu guys already
did).

IMHO, distro choice for a MythTV system should be made according to the
old adage: "Use the right tool for the job." I have a list of the 3
worst-possible choices of distro for use with MythTV, but unfortunately
it seems a lot of users like to use 2 of them. In so doing, they're
only making things hard on themselves, so I suppose if they like to
waste their own time/energy, more power to them.

(Note that Mint is not among the 3 distros on my list. Mint is a good
choice--particularly if you enable the Mythbuntu repos and use the
packages that are maintained by the Mythbuntu team. Those guys spend a
/lot/ of time keeping up with the development of MythTV, speaking with
the devs about changes and how those changes affect their distro and its
configuration requirements, and keeping the builds up-to-date and
properly working. IMHO, they are the model of a good packaging team.
It's a shame that more people don't choose to benefit from their efforts
and choose to replicate the work--and, even worse, the time they spend
learning what's required--the Mythbuntu team does. It seems that
Fedora's RPM Fusion repos are good, too, but I don't know enough about
them to make any useful comments.)

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael T. Dean
<mtdean@thirdcontact.com> wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 07:31 PM, Martin Brown wrote:
>>

>
> IMHO, distro choice for a MythTV system should be made according to the old
> adage: "Use the right tool for the job." I have a list of the 3
> worst-possible choices of distro for use with MythTV, but unfortunately it
> seems a lot of users like to use 2 of them.

At the risk of a flame war, would you like to share that list, with reasons?
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As a relative linux noob; I tried fedora & ubuntu when I just started with
Linux. I liked the concept of sudo and I didnt like that so many commands
were different between the two distributions so I standardised on *buntu
(or debian derivatives if you prefer).

I still subscribe to the thinking of making life easy for yourself and
learning a single distribution is enough work for a hobby; learning redhat
and debian and slackware and gentoo, just to work out which is the best is
just too big a barrier of entry for most newbies... no wonder they get
frustrated and go back to windoze. which brings me back to a comment about
the original question above...

In my view I am willing to have something which is only 99% optimised for
myth in order to have similar distributions for desktop&server i.e. the
*buntu/debian/mint family, the *dora/centos/redhat family. etc.

Anyway; Micheal; would you mind sharing your top 3 myth distributions?

R

On 08/12/2012 07:20 AM, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>> IMHO, distro choice for a MythTV system should be made according to the old
>> adage: "Use the right tool for the job." I have a list of the 3
>> worst-possible choices of distro for use with MythTV, but unfortunately it
>> seems a lot of users like to use 2 of them.
> At the risk of a flame war, would you like to share that list, with reasons?

That risk (or, near certainty, as the case may be) is exactly why I
didn't share the list of the bottom 3 distros. I'm guessing that
sharing it will cause more problems than benefit, since someone who has
already decided to use one of those 3 will almost always find a way to
rationalize the decision/call me wrong/decide that they are a special
case or <distro> expert for whom the normal rules don't apply/...

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On 08/12/2012 07:41 AM, Richard Morton wrote:
> As a relative linux noob; I tried fedora & ubuntu when I just started
> with Linux. I liked the concept of sudo and I didnt like that so many
> commands were different between the two distributions so I
> standardised on *buntu (or debian derivatives if you prefer).
>
> I still subscribe to the thinking of making life easy for yourself and
> learning a single distribution is enough work for a hobby; learning
> redhat and debian and slackware and gentoo, just to work out which is
> the best is just too big a barrier of entry for most newbies... no
> wonder they get frustrated and go back to windoze. which brings me
> back to a comment about the original question above...
>
> In my view I am willing to have something which is only 99% optimised
> for myth in order to have similar distributions for desktop&server
> i.e. the *buntu/debian/mint family, the *dora/centos/redhat family. etc.

Yes, and I think that's a /very/ good approach. If you like
Debian-based systems, use *buntu or Mint with Mythbuntu repos for your
MythTV box. If you like Red-Hat-based systems, use Fedora or whatever
works with RPM Fusion for your MythTV box. If you like Arch-based
systems, use LinHES.

> Anyway; Micheal; would you mind sharing your top 3 myth distributions?

I'm happy to share my opinion on the *top* 3 MythTV distributions.
(Bottom 3 still withheld.)

In no particular order, the top 3 distributions to use for MythTV are:
Mythbuntu or any Ubuntu-derivative with which you can use the Mythbuntu
repos (so, includes Mint); LinHES; Fedora or any Red-Hat-based distro
with which you can use the RPM Fusion repos.

Mike

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Michael T. Dean <mtdean@thirdcontact.com>wrote:

>
> IMHO, distro choice for a MythTV system should be made according to the
> old adage: "Use the right tool for the job." I have a list of the 3
> worst-possible choices of distro for use with MythTV, but unfortunately it
> seems a lot of users like to use 2 of them. In so doing, they're only
> making things hard on themselves, so I suppose if they like to waste their
> own time/energy, more power to them.
>

But I *like* CentOS :)

I imagine it is on your list. That being said, my CentOS based system is
working (I'm more familiar with Redhat/Fedora based distributions and like
the relative stability CentOS provides compared to the fast moving Fedora).
I've also had to do my share of wasting time and energy to get it working
at times. I also don't touch it once it is working until something in the
MythTV minimum requirements forces me to move (QT)

Kevin

On 08/13/2012 10:25 AM, Kevin Kuphal wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:43 AM, Michael T. Dean wrote:
>> IMHO, distro choice for a MythTV system should be made according to the
>> old adage: "Use the right tool for the job." I have a list of the 3
>> worst-possible choices of distro for use with MythTV, but unfortunately it
>> seems a lot of users like to use 2 of them. In so doing, they're only
>> making things hard on themselves, so I suppose if they like to waste their
>> own time/energy, more power to them.
>>
> But I *like* CentOS :)
>
> I imagine it is on your list.

Hehe, it's not on my "worst 3" list.

> That being said, my CentOS based system is
> working (I'm more familiar with Redhat/Fedora based distributions and like
> the relative stability CentOS provides compared to the fast moving Fedora).
> I've also had to do my share of wasting time and energy to get it working
> at times. I also don't touch it once it is working until something in the
> MythTV minimum requirements forces me to move (QT)
>

Aren't there MythTV packages for CentOS available through RPM Fusion?
If so, it's probably on the lower-end of the "any Red-Hat-based distro
with which you can use the RPM Fusion repos" in my top-3 distributions
to use for MythTV list. The only reason it (and, similarly RHEL) is on
the lower end of the RPM Fusion distros list is because it tends to have
some old versions of libraries and system components which are used with
MythTV, which may make it challenging to use with a "cutting-edge media
center application". But, if you're willing to work around or live with
the limitations, CentOS/RHEL aren't a terrible choice of distro.

Mike
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