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About LQT - on hold?
Dear all,
 
As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
 
HW
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Re: About LQT - on hold? [ In reply to ]
2011/5/29 HW <waihorace@yahoo.com.hk>
>
> Dear all,
>
> As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
> LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
> amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
> possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?

I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it
was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to
be deployed anywhere new atm".

I think that that's a shame, because if there are people who are
willing to "sacrifice" their projects for testing LQT, this should be
allowed. I can't think of anything terribly destructive that LQT can
do to a project, even in its current buggy and rapidly changing form.

[1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27937

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Re: About LQT - on hold? [ In reply to ]
LiquidThreads is still undergoing a major rewrite. It will be enabled once it has been finished.

Regards,Hydrizhttp://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hydriz




> From: amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
> Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:35:58 +0300
> To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] About LQT - on hold?
>
> 2011/5/29 HW <waihorace@yahoo.com.hk>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
> > LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
> > amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
> > possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
>
> I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it
> was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to
> be deployed anywhere new atm".
>
> I think that that's a shame, because if there are people who are
> willing to "sacrifice" their projects for testing LQT, this should be
> allowed. I can't think of anything terribly destructive that LQT can
> do to a project, even in its current buggy and rapidly changing form.
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27937
>
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> I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
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Re: About LQT - on hold? [ In reply to ]
HW wrote:
> As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
> LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
> amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
> possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status

MZMcBride



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2011/5/29 MZMcBride <z@mzmcbride.com>:
> HW wrote:
>> As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
>> LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
>> amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
>> possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
>
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status

Thank you for the link.

This page says in the end: "Production deployment of LiquidThreads
with its improved backend to all Wikimedia wikis using LiquidThreads.
Timeline: Before Wikimania, August 2."

Putting Wikimania as a target date is very nice, because Wikimania and
the hackathon that preceeds it will happen in a country that speaks
Hebrew and Arabic - right-to-left languages. If the new LQT will be
deployed before Wikimania only to wikis that use LQT now, this means
that until Wikimania, LQT will not be tested by right-to-left language
users on right-to-left language wikis.

And so this will become a missed opportunity. If a development version
of LQT will be tested on an RTL wiki before Wikimania, the RTL bugs
will be already known before the beginning of the hackathon and would
be easily fixed during it with the help of Israeli developers that
will be present in Haifa. If it won't be tested before Wikimania,
fixing these RTL bugs will be much, much harder.

And so i repeat my request: Please install LQT on the Hebrew Wikinews
and on other wikis whose users offer their help in testing.

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Re: About LQT - on hold? [ In reply to ]
There won't be anything to test until the rewrite is done since it's still
undergoing major changes. There's no point in deploying code and testing for
it if that code will change drastically in a few months.

On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> 2011/5/29 MZMcBride <z@mzmcbride.com>:
> > HW wrote:
> >> As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for
> adding
> >> LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a
> large
> >> amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon
> as
> >> possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
> >
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/Status
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
> This page says in the end: "Production deployment of LiquidThreads
> with its improved backend to all Wikimedia wikis using LiquidThreads.
> Timeline: Before Wikimania, August 2."
>
> Putting Wikimania as a target date is very nice, because Wikimania and
> the hackathon that preceeds it will happen in a country that speaks
> Hebrew and Arabic - right-to-left languages. If the new LQT will be
> deployed before Wikimania only to wikis that use LQT now, this means
> that until Wikimania, LQT will not be tested by right-to-left language
> users on right-to-left language wikis.
>
> And so this will become a missed opportunity. If a development version
> of LQT will be tested on an RTL wiki before Wikimania, the RTL bugs
> will be already known before the beginning of the hackathon and would
> be easily fixed during it with the help of Israeli developers that
> will be present in Haifa. If it won't be tested before Wikimania,
> fixing these RTL bugs will be much, much harder.
>
> And so i repeat my request: Please install LQT on the Hebrew Wikinews
> and on other wikis whose users offer their help in testing.
>
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> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
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> I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
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Re: About LQT - on hold? [ In reply to ]
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
<amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
>
> 2011/5/29 HW <waihorace@yahoo.com.hk>
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > As of a member of Chinese Wikipedia community, we have submitted a bug
> > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29114 on requestion for adding
> > LQT to Chinese Wikipedia. However, it seems that it is on hold. Due to a large
> > amount of comment on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump, we need it as soon as
> > possible. When will it be enable? Or, need to wait for central action?
>
> I also asked to enable LiquidThreads on the Hebrew Wikinews [1] and it
> was closed as RESOLVED LATER, with the explanation "LQT isn't going to
> be deployed anywhere new atm".

Let me clarify what's going on here.

In February, I made the decision, along with Alolita, to implement a
new backend for LiquidThreads. This decision was made because the
original backend had a number of intractable problems that were
causing bugs across Wikimedia projects. You can see the document I
wrote about the backend updates for further information [1].

At that time, the issue of existing and further LiquidThreads
deployments was raised. The decision that I made, in consultation with
the remainder of the technical staff was that, while I would attempt
to resolve serious bugs with LiquidThreads, we would not be deploying
LiquidThreads to any further wikis before the backend updates were
complete. This decision was made so that the time I spend working on
LiquidThreads is focussed on moving the redesign forward.

As has been stated in this thread, there's little point testing code
that's in the process of being rewritten.

Currently, the schedule calls for staged deployments of the rewrite
between early July and Wikimania [2]. There's been some slippage on
the schedule, but there's also a substantial amount of slack in June,
and I think Wikimania would be a reasonable timeframe to expect a test
deployment on a number of small projects, of which some will
necessarily be in right to left languages.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

—Andrew

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_information/2011_backend_updates
[2] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads/WMF_project_information/Phase_1

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