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Hi,

Just to inform you about the NOW running live streams from Wikimania about MediaWiki.

See http://toolserver.org/~reedy/wikimania2010/jazzhall.html

Runs until 13.00 CEST TODAY/NOW!

Siebrand


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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Siebrand Mazeland <s.mazeland@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Hi,
> Just to inform you about the NOW running live streams from Wikimania about MediaWiki.
> See http://toolserver.org/~reedy/wikimania2010/jazzhall.html
> Runs until 13.00 CEST TODAY/NOW!

Shame. This requires some plugin stuff.

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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Shame. This requires some plugin stuff.
Flash.
-Peachey

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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
Please complain to the Wikimania organisation, not here. Still, I hope you loved the presentations.

Siebrand

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Shame. This requires some plugin stuff.



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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.

Erik

On 7/11/10, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Siebrand Mazeland <s.mazeland@xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just to inform you about the NOW running live streams from Wikimania about
>> MediaWiki.
>> See http://toolserver.org/~reedy/wikimania2010/jazzhall.html
>> Runs until 13.00 CEST TODAY/NOW!
>
> Shame. This requires some plugin stuff.
>
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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
> to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
> nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
> if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.

I've been working from a non-x86 system the past couple of days. Even
if I wanted to install the proprietary flash software I couldn't.

The time delayed uploaded files worked pretty well last year, and I
was able to watch all the presentations I was interested in. This
year I wasn't able to watch a single one.

This isn't merely ideology. But even if it were, ideology doesn't mean
"without practical value", ideology can often mean preferring a
strategy believe to be practically superior over the long term in
preference to some short term expedience. I presume you pursue
long-term winning strategies over the best immediate gain constantly
through your life and don't consider these decisions to be
"ideological", much less nitpicking.

I suppose it is valuable information to know that you have so little
respect for my opinions, though I would have preferred to learn of
this someplace other than on a public mailing list.

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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On 11 July 2010 13:25, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
>> to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
>> nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
>> if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.

> I've been working from a non-x86 system the past couple of days. Even
> if I wanted to install the proprietary flash software I couldn't.


GNASH or swfdec functional?


- d.

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On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
> to a lot of volunteer effort.
>
>
Last year's streaming worked great for me, I've followed most presentations
for there !!. I hope for the next year that every presentation be streamed.

Matias.
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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
2010/7/11 Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
>> to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
>> nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
>> if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.
>
> I've been working from a non-x86 system the past couple of days. Even
> if I wanted to install the proprietary flash software I couldn't.
>
Since it's perfectly possible to set up streams that don't rely on
Flash and can be viewed with open source media players like VLC, I do
believe we should aim to do that next year.

> The time delayed uploaded files worked pretty well last year, and I
> was able to watch all the presentations I was interested in.  This
> year I wasn't able to watch a single one.
>
Last year's system of encoding the videos to OGG overnight and
uploading them to Commons the next afternoon was pretty awesome;
unfortunately we won't be doing that this year, but the organization
have told me (on wikimania-l) that they will obtain the OGGs from the
video company on DVD(s), and I have asked them to mail that/those
DVD(s) to our datacenter so I can import all videos to Commons when
they arrive.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Cool, nice talk on Extensions by the way.. I'll keep that in mind!

On 11/07/10 14:50, Roan Kattouw wrote:
> 2010/7/11 Gregory Maxwell<gmaxwell@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Erik Moeller<erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
>>> to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
>>> nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
>>> if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.
>>>
>> I've been working from a non-x86 system the past couple of days. Even
>> if I wanted to install the proprietary flash software I couldn't.
>>
>>
> Since it's perfectly possible to set up streams that don't rely on
> Flash and can be viewed with open source media players like VLC, I do
> believe we should aim to do that next year.
>
>
>> The time delayed uploaded files worked pretty well last year, and I
>> was able to watch all the presentations I was interested in. This
>> year I wasn't able to watch a single one.
>>
>>
> Last year's system of encoding the videos to OGG overnight and
> uploading them to Commons the next afternoon was pretty awesome;
> unfortunately we won't be doing that this year, but the organization
> have told me (on wikimania-l) that they will obtain the OGGs from the
> video company on DVD(s), and I have asked them to mail that/those
> DVD(s) to our datacenter so I can import all videos to Commons when
> they arrive.
>
> Roan Kattouw (Catrope)
>
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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks
> to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological
> nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even
> if it required a Windows-only plugin, which Flash is not.

Yes, I would like to express a huge thank you to all those involved
with the streaming. I was particularly impressed that most talks had
multiple camera set-ups and live cutting to keep it more visually
engaging. It really made me feel a part of the conference and it's
been an inspiring couple of days listening to people from all over the
world that share one vision.

"Last year's system of encoding the videos to OGG overnight and
uploading them to Commons the next afternoon was pretty awesome;
unfortunately we won't be doing that this year, but the organization
have told me (on wikimania-l) that they will obtain the OGGs from the
video company on DVD(s), and I have asked them to mail that/those
DVD(s) to our datacenter so I can import all videos to Commons when
they arrive." - Roan Kattouw

Does this mean there will not be uploads of the talks for 2010? I
watched all the streaming I could, but obviously one can only watch
one stream at a time.

My dream scenario is that every talk is uploaded and linked to from
the schedule page [1]

Also, a minor query but it's bugging me; the schedule for each day
shows, in blue, "spotlight on posters" and "posters" are listed at the
bottom of the schedule in yellow. I can't figure out why the term
"posters" is used?

[1] http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule

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2010/7/11 Bod Notbod <bodnotbod@gmail.com>:
> Does this mean there will not be uploads of the talks for 2010? I
> watched all the streaming I could, but obviously one can only watch
> one stream at a time.
>
They will be uploaded, it'll just take a little longer (as opposed to
the videos being available the next day like last year).

> My dream scenario is that every talk is uploaded and linked to from
> the schedule page [1]
>
That was done in 2009, and it could be done in 2010 too. Shouldn't be
too hard if we categorize the videos properly ([[Category:Wikimania
2010 presentation videos]] or something like that? Gotta check what we
used last year) when uploading them to Commons.

> Also, a minor query but it's bugging me; the schedule for each day
> shows, in blue, "spotlight on posters" and "posters" are listed at the
> bottom of the schedule in yellow. I can't figure out why the term
> "posters" is used?
>
Because they quite literally were posters hanging from the walls in
the upstairs lunch area.

Roan Kattouw (Catrope)

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Re: Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki [ In reply to ]
On 07/11/2010 02:25 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> I suppose it is valuable information to know that you have so little
> respect for my opinions, though I would have preferred to learn of
> this someplace other than on a public mailing list.

One impression from this Wikimania is that we are too weak.
We need to be a stronger, richer, more generous team.

Many people try their best at some projects, and what they
get back is complaints about missing details. We're not generous
enough to offer support and appreciation.

The film "Truth in numbers" was finally released, but questions
from the audience afterwards were not full of amazement that
the film was completed. Instead they contained rather negative
comments about it. It's as if there were a dozen movies about
Wikipedia to chose from and you didn't like this particular one.

At another session, the WMF five year strategy was discussed,
and the decision to help India forward was criticized because
the decision didn't document why Indonesia was less important!

It's all very similar to how some newcomers to Wikipedia have
their first article deleted. The message is that help is unwanted,
so most volunteers give up and leave. In a normal workplace
they might put up with the abuse, knowing that at least they get
a salary. But Wikipedia volunteers don't get any salary, so they
don't have that reason to stay. They leave.

Yes, the Polish organizing team was too weak. They should have
been more people and should have started out earlier. When
Manuel Schneider (of Switzerland) volunteered in May 2010 to
do the video streaming, he should have been told that this was
of course already taken care of. Instead he was told that he
also needed to take care of Wi-Fi. (It's good he wasn't blamed
for the failing air conditioning as well.)

The processes for evaluating the bids for organizing Wikimania
should be stronger, to detect such weakness earlier. This could
lead to a rotation among fewer locations, e.g. Berlin and
Buenos Aires and some place in Asia on a 3 year rotation.
Yes, it will be boring to go back to the same places, but at
least there will be some routine in the organization. It would
also mean that Andrew Keen is right, at least in part, when
he says you can't let amateurs run the show.


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