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[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation
Dear all,

I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read
through, review, and comment.

In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
ecosystem of free knowledge.

== Review the recommendations ==

These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
every person who contributed to creating this work.

I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
recommendations were produced and next steps [7].

The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.

== Share your feedback ==

In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
recommendations and share their thoughts.

Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.

This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
towards discussions around implementation.

You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
pages.

Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the
beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement
we are today.

I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.

Katherine

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
?
[9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions

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Katherine Maher (she/her)

Executive Director

Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Katherine,

These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
talking to the wall?

Todd

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf
> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read
> through, review, and comment.
>
> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your
> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring
> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge.
>
> == Review the recommendations ==
>
> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant
> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> every person who contributed to creating this work.
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
>
> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed
> introduction to the recommendations material.
>
> == Share your feedback ==
>
> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant
> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that
> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> recommendations and share their thoughts.
>
> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might
> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
>
> This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> towards discussions around implementation.
>
> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
> pages.
>
> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge.
> And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement
> we are today.
>
> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
>
> Katherine
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> [5]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> [6]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> [7]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> [8]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> ?
> [9]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> [10]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
>
> --
>
> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>
> Executive Director
>
> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who
invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.

Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations?
It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find
it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.


*Itzik Edri*
Chairperson (volunteer)
itzik@wikimedia.org.il
+972-54-5878078



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Katherine,
>
> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> talking to the wall?
>
> Todd
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> behalf
> > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
> > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> read
> > through, review, and comment.
> >
> > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> your
> > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> bring
> > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> >
> > == Review the recommendations ==
> >
> > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
> > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> significant
> > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> >
> > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
> > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
> > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> >
> > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> condensed
> > introduction to the recommendations material.
> >
> > == Share your feedback ==
> >
> > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> relevant
> > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
> that
> > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> >
> > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> might
> > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> >
> > This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
> > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> > towards discussions around implementation.
> >
> > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
> > pages.
> >
> > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
> > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> knowledge.
> > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> movement
> > we are today.
> >
> > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
> > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > [7]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > [8]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > ?
> > [9]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > [10]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> >
> > --
> >
> > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> >
> > Executive Director
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react
this time).

Best
Yaroslav

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Katherine,
>
> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> talking to the wall?
>
> Todd
>
> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> behalf
> > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
> > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> read
> > through, review, and comment.
> >
> > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> your
> > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> bring
> > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> >
> > == Review the recommendations ==
> >
> > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
> > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> significant
> > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> >
> > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
> > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
> > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> >
> > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> condensed
> > introduction to the recommendations material.
> >
> > == Share your feedback ==
> >
> > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> relevant
> > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
> that
> > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> >
> > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> might
> > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> >
> > This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
> > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> > towards discussions around implementation.
> >
> > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
> > pages.
> >
> > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
> > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> knowledge.
> > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> movement
> > we are today.
> >
> > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
> > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> >
> > Katherine
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > [3]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > [5]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > [6]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > [7]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > [8]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > ?
> > [9]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > [10]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> >
> > --
> >
> > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> >
> > Executive Director
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Hello,

We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going
to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus

Kind regards
Ziko

Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
ymbalt@gmail.com>:

> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react
> this time).
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Katherine,
> >
> > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
> > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > talking to the wall?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> > behalf
> > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
> am
> > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> > read
> > > through, review, and comment.
> > >
> > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> > your
> > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> > bring
> > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > >
> > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > >
> > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> discussions
> > > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> > > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > significant
> > > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> > > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > >
> > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
> the
> > > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> these
> > > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > >
> > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > condensed
> > > introduction to the recommendations material.
> > >
> > > == Share your feedback ==
> > >
> > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > relevant
> > > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
> > that
> > > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > >
> > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> > might
> > > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> > > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> > >
> > > This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> > > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> > > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
> as
> > > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> > > towards discussions around implementation.
> > >
> > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> > > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> meta
> > > pages.
> > >
> > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> invaluable
> > > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > knowledge.
> > > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > movement
> > > we are today.
> > >
> > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> looking
> > > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > [3]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > [4]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > [5]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > [6]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > [7]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > [8]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > > ?
> > > [9]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > [10]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > >
> > > Executive Director
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Hi Todd,

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:06 PM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:

> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> talking to the wall?
>

having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell
you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback.
That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and
conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific
purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often
conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the
movement often have opposing views.
Also, at least in the parts of the process I have seen, all feedback was
considered carefully (whether we had the bandwidth to respond or not, with
the latter unfortunately happening a lot more than we'd have liked), but
then of course not all of it could not be incorporated - some was in
conflict with other feedback, some was not in alignment with the strategic
direction, some was infeasible or factually incorrect... but much of the
feedback did end up changing the recommendations.

So if your expectation is that your feedback will be taken in
consideration, you can be confident that that will happen. If the
expectation is that it will be heeded in every case, then you might come
away frustrated; like all large-scale governance projects, our movement's
strategy for the next decade will require a lot of compromise from a lot of
people. For every part of the recommendations that you like, I'm sure there
will be a hundred people who dislike it. So I would urge you (and everyone)
to look at the recommendations through that lens: whether they will be a
positive change for the movement overall, not whether every single detail
is to your liking. If we cherry-pick everything that some group of people
is opposed to, soon nothing would be left.

----
(I'm one of the writers; this is my personal opinion only. I will certainly
not be in the position to make any decisions based on community feedback
about accepting or rejecting the recommendations. But having seen how much
effort was spent on making sure all feedback is collected and reviewed, I'm
pretty sure this last phase is not going to be any different.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.

Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An
openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are
accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
political games to get around it.

I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a correctly
community-led process for voting on it.

As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting
out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.

Fae

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going
> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> ymbalt@gmail.com>:
>
> > We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react
> > this time).
> >
> > Best
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Katherine,
> > >
> > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> feedback
> > > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> > > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > > talking to the wall?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> movement
> > > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> > > behalf
> > > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
> > am
> > > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> > > read
> > > > through, review, and comment.
> > > >
> > > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> > > your
> > > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> > > bring
> > > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > > >
> > > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> > discussions
> > > > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> research
> > > > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > > > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > > significant
> > > > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
> and
> > > > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > > > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
> > the
> > > > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> > these
> > > > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > > > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > > >
> > > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> German,
> > > > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > > > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > > condensed
> > > > introduction to the recommendations material.
> > > >
> > > > == Share your feedback ==
> > > >
> > > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > > relevant
> > > > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> organizations
> > > that
> > > > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> > > might
> > > > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > > > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
> on
> > > > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> > > >
> > > > This round of community conversations will run until the first week
> of
> > > > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > > > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
> and
> > > > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
> > as
> > > > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
> us
> > > > towards discussions around implementation.
> > > >
> > > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
> and
> > > > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> > meta
> > > > pages.
> > > >
> > > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> > invaluable
> > > > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > > knowledge.
> > > > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > > > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > > movement
> > > > we are today.
> > > >
> > > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> > looking
> > > > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Katherine
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > > [4]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > > [5]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > > [6]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > > [7]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > > [8]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > > > ?
> > > > [9]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > > [10]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > > >
> > > > Executive Director
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
on the same planet.

A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
I can see.

 And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the
people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.

As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I
meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
meet volunteers and  functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
appalling negative entries as i find to  be in direct opposition to our
movement values.

So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
the recommendations

Andersw




Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
>
> Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An
> openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are
> accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> political games to get around it.
>
> I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
> wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a correctly
> community-led process for voting on it.
>
> As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
> feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting
> out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
>
> Fae
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going
>> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Ziko
>>
>> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
>> ymbalt@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react
>>> this time).
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Katherine,
>>>>
>>>> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
>> feedback
>>>> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
>>>> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
>>>> talking to the wall?
>>>>
>>>> Todd
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
>> movement
>>>>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
>>>> behalf
>>>>> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
>>> am
>>>>> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
>>>> read
>>>>> through, review, and comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
>>>> your
>>>>> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
>>>> bring
>>>>> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
>>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> == Review the recommendations ==
>>>>>
>>>>> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
>>> discussions
>>>>> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
>> research
>>>>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
>>>>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
>>>> significant
>>>>> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
>> and
>>>>> every person who contributed to creating this work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
>>>>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
>>> the
>>>>> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
>>> these
>>>>> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
>>>>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
>>>>>
>>>>> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
>> German,
>>>>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
>>>>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
>>>> condensed
>>>>> introduction to the recommendations material.
>>>>>
>>>>> == Share your feedback ==
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
>>>> relevant
>>>>> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
>> organizations
>>>> that
>>>>> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
>>>>> recommendations and share their thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
>>>> might
>>>>> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
>>>>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
>> on
>>>>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
>>>>>
>>>>> This round of community conversations will run until the first week
>> of
>>>>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
>>>>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
>> and
>>>>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
>>> as
>>>>> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
>> us
>>>>> towards discussions around implementation.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
>> and
>>>>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
>>> meta
>>>>> pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
>>> invaluable
>>>>> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
>>>> knowledge.
>>>>> And every single contribution made by every community member from the
>>>>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
>>>> movement
>>>>> we are today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
>>> looking
>>>>> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Katherine
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
>>>>> [2]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
>>>>> [3]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
>>>>> [4]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
>>>>> [5]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
>>>>> [6]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
>>>>> [7]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
>>>>> [8]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
>>>>> ?
>>>>> [9]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
>>>>> [10]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Katherine Maher (she/her)
>>>>>
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Hello Anders,

Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic
in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
neutral way.

Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to
tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
think that opponents need a better „attitude“?

Kind regards,
Ziko


Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se> schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020
um 12:14:

> Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
> on the same planet.
>
> A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
> result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
> I can see.
>
> And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the
> people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
>
> As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
> colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
> communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I
> meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
> meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
> appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our
> movement values.
>
> So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
> the recommendations
>
> Andersw
>
>
>
>
> Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
> >
> > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
> An
> > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are
> > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> > political games to get around it.
> >
> > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
> > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
> correctly
> > community-led process for voting on it.
> >
> > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
> > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> shouting
> > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> >
> > Fae
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
> going
> >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
> >>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Ziko
> >>
> >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> >> ymbalt@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
> react
> >>> this time).
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>> Yaroslav
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Katherine,
> >>>>
> >>>> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> >> feedback
> >>>> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> >>>> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> >>>> talking to the wall?
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> >> movement
> >>>>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> >>>> behalf
> >>>>> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
> >>> am
> >>>>> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> >>>> read
> >>>>> through, review, and comment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> >>>> your
> >>>>> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> >>>> bring
> >>>>> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> >>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> == Review the recommendations ==
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> >>> discussions
> >>>>> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> >> research
> >>>>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> >>>>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> >>>> significant
> >>>>> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
> >> and
> >>>>> every person who contributed to creating this work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> >>>>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
> >>> the
> >>>>> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> >>> these
> >>>>> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> >>>>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> >> German,
> >>>>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> >>>>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> >>>> condensed
> >>>>> introduction to the recommendations material.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> == Share your feedback ==
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> >>>> relevant
> >>>>> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> >> organizations
> >>>> that
> >>>>> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> >>>>> recommendations and share their thoughts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> >>>> might
> >>>>> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> >>>>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
> >> on
> >>>>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This round of community conversations will run until the first week
> >> of
> >>>>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> >>>>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
> >> and
> >>>>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
> >>> as
> >>>>> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
> >> us
> >>>>> towards discussions around implementation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
> >> and
> >>>>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> >>> meta
> >>>>> pages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> >>> invaluable
> >>>>> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> >>>> knowledge.
> >>>>> And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> >>>>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> >>>> movement
> >>>>> we are today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> >>> looking
> >>>>> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Katherine
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> >>>>> [2]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> >>>>> [3]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> >>>>> [4]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> >>>>> [5]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> >>>>> [6]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> >>>>> [7]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> >>>>> [8]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> [9]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> >>>>> [10]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Katherine Maher (she/her)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Executive Director
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt
to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is
contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the
implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do
you think it could get worse? ;-)

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Anders,
>
> Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic
> in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
> neutral way.
>
> Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to
> tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
> think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko
>
>
> Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se> schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020
> um 12:14:
>
> > Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
> > on the same planet.
> >
> > A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
> > result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
> > I can see.
> >
> > And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the
> > people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
> >
> > As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
> > colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
> > communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I
> > meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
> > meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
> > appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our
> > movement values.
> >
> > So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
> > the recommendations
> >
> > Andersw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> > > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
> > >
> > > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
> > An
> > > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> > > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
> are
> > > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> > > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> > > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> > > political games to get around it.
> > >
> > > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
> > > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
> > correctly
> > > community-led process for voting on it.
> > >
> > > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
> any
> > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> > shouting
> > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> > >
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
> > going
> > >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards
> > >> Ziko
> > >>
> > >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> > >> ymbalt@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
> > react
> > >>> this time).
> > >>>
> > >>> Best
> > >>> Yaroslav
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Katherine,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> > >> feedback
> > >>>> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
> expect
> > >>>> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > >>>> talking to the wall?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Todd
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org
> >
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Dear all,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> > >> movement
> > >>>>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
> On
> > >>>> behalf
> > >>>>> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
> writers, I
> > >>> am
> > >>>>> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
> to
> > >>>> read
> > >>>>> through, review, and comment.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
> 2020,
> > >>>> your
> > >>>>> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
> can
> > >>>> bring
> > >>>>> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > >>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> == Review the recommendations ==
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> > >>> discussions
> > >>>>> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> > >> research
> > >>>>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
> [2],
> > >>>>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > >>>> significant
> > >>>>> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
> > >> and
> > >>>>> every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > >>>>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation
> of
> > >>> the
> > >>>>> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> > >>> these
> > >>>>> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
> the
> > >>>>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> > >> German,
> > >>>>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available
> in
> > >>>>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > >>>> condensed
> > >>>>> introduction to the recommendations material.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> == Share your feedback ==
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > >>>> relevant
> > >>>>> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> > >> organizations
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > >>>>> recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
> recommendations
> > >>>> might
> > >>>>> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > >>>>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
> groups
> > >> on
> > >>>>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
> structures.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> This round of community conversations will run until the first week
> > >> of
> > >>>>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish
> a
> > >>>>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
> > >> and
> > >>>>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
> role
> > >>> as
> > >>>>> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
> > >> us
> > >>>>> towards discussions around implementation.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
> > >> and
> > >>>>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> > >>> meta
> > >>>>> pages.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> > >>> invaluable
> > >>>>> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > >>>> knowledge.
> > >>>>> And every single contribution made by every community member from
> the
> > >>>>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > >>>> movement
> > >>>>> we are today.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> > >>> looking
> > >>>>> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
> weeks.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Katherine
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > >>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > >>>>> [3]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > >>>>> [4]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > >>>>> [5]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > >>>>> [6]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > >>>>> [7]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > >>>>> [8]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > >>>>> ?
> > >>>>> [9]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > >>>>> [10]
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Executive Director
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Hi all
I agree on that point.

I suggest to the community to organize themselves to give a feedback and to
contribute to have better and widely supported reccomandations but this
process must progress.

Everything can be improved and can be better but what is important is to
keep this goal of improvement.

Kind regards

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020, 14:51 Philip Kopetzky, <philip.kopetzky@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt
> to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is
> contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the
> implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do
> you think it could get worse? ;-)
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are
> problematic
> > in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
> > neutral way.
> >
> > Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want
> to
> > tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
> > think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> > Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se> schrieb am Di. 21. Jan.
> 2020
> > um 12:14:
> >
> > > Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even
> live
> > > on the same planet.
> > >
> > > A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
> > > result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
> > > I can see.
> > >
> > > And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend
> the
> > > people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of
> work.
> > >
> > > As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
> > > colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
> > > communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And
> I
> > > meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
> > > meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
> > > appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our
> > > movement values.
> > >
> > > So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
> > > the recommendations
> > >
> > > Andersw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> > > > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
> > > >
> > > > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like
> it.
> > > An
> > > > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> > > > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
> > are
> > > > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> > > > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> > > > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> > > > political games to get around it.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations
> and
> > > > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
> > > correctly
> > > > community-led process for voting on it.
> > > >
> > > > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
> > any
> > > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> > > shouting
> > > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> > > >
> > > > Fae
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is
> not
> > > going
> > > >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
> > > >>
> > > >> Kind regards
> > > >> Ziko
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> > > >> ymbalt@gmail.com>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
> > > react
> > > >>> this time).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best
> > > >>> Yaroslav
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Katherine,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> > > >> feedback
> > > >>>> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
> > expect
> > > >>>> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again
> be
> > > >>>> talking to the wall?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Todd
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <
> kmaher@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Dear all,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> > > >> movement
> > > >>>>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
> > On
> > > >>>> behalf
> > > >>>>> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
> > writers, I
> > > >>> am
> > > >>>>> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a
> moment
> > to
> > > >>>> read
> > > >>>>> through, review, and comment.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
> > 2020,
> > > >>>> your
> > > >>>>> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
> > can
> > > >>>> bring
> > > >>>>> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of
> the
> > > >>>>> ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Review the recommendations ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> > > >>> discussions
> > > >>>>> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> > > >> research
> > > >>>>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
> > [2],
> > > >>>>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > > >>>> significant
> > > >>>>> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank
> each
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are
> 13
> > > >>>>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an
> explanation
> > of
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of
> how
> > > >>> these
> > > >>>>> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
> > the
> > > >>>>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> > > >> German,
> > > >>>>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview
> available
> > in
> > > >>>>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > > >>>> condensed
> > > >>>>> introduction to the recommendations material.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> == Share your feedback ==
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> In order to produce a final document that is representative of
> and
> > > >>>> relevant
> > > >>>>> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> > > >> organizations
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>>> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > >>>>> recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
> > recommendations
> > > >>>> might
> > > >>>>> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions
> are
> > > >>>>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
> > groups
> > > >> on
> > > >>>>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
> > structures.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> This round of community conversations will run until the first
> week
> > > >> of
> > > >>>>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will
> publish
> > a
> > > >>>>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online
> communities,
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
> > role
> > > >>> as
> > > >>>>> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and
> move
> > > >> us
> > > >>>>> towards discussions around implementation.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs
> [10],
> > > >> and
> > > >>>>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the
> respective
> > > >>> meta
> > > >>>>> pages.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> > > >>> invaluable
> > > >>>>> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > > >>>> knowledge.
> > > >>>>> And every single contribution made by every community member from
> > the
> > > >>>>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > > >>>> movement
> > > >>>>> we are today.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> > > >>> looking
> > > >>>>> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
> > weeks.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Katherine
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [1]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > >>>>> [2]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > >>>>> [3]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > >>>>> [4]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > >>>>> [5]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > >>>>> [6]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > >>>>> [7]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > >>>>> [8]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > > >>>>> ?
> > > >>>>> [9]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > >>>>> [10]
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Executive Director
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the
bottom of the introduction page:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations

Core:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_Core_document_in_English.pdf

Extended:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Extended_doc_EN.pdf

Cover note:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Cover_note_EN.pdf

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who
> invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
>
> Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations?
> It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find
> it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
>
>
> *Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson (volunteer)
> itzik@wikimedia.org.il
> +972-54-5878078
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Katherine,
> >
> > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback
> > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > talking to the wall?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> > behalf
> > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
> am
> > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> > read
> > > through, review, and comment.
> > >
> > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> > your
> > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> > bring
> > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > >
> > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > >
> > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> discussions
> > > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> > > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > significant
> > > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> > > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > >
> > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
> the
> > > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> these
> > > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > >
> > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > condensed
> > > introduction to the recommendations material.
> > >
> > > == Share your feedback ==
> > >
> > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > relevant
> > > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
> > that
> > > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > >
> > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> > might
> > > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> > > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> > >
> > > This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> > > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> > > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
> as
> > > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> > > towards discussions around implementation.
> > >
> > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> > > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> meta
> > > pages.
> > >
> > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> invaluable
> > > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > knowledge.
> > > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > movement
> > > we are today.
> > >
> > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> looking
> > > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> > >
> > > Katherine
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > [3]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > [4]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > [5]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > [6]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > [7]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > [8]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > > ?
> > > [9]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > [10]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Katherine Maher (she/her)
> > >
> > > Executive Director
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk@gmail.com> wrote:

> Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic
> in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
> neutral way.
>

The strong focus on voting is in itself, not neutral. Voting at this scale
cannot measure the needs of the wider movement. These plans affect hundreds
of thousands of editors. Making decisions based on the vote of a the few
hundred contributors who comment, would misrepresent the movement and lead
to populist decisions stemming from the strong status quo bias
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias>.

The purpose of the consultations is to give constructive feedback to
positively influence the outcome. Effort-less votes would misunderstand the
purpose and only create disruption. That's not helpful to our cause. A
collaborative mindset is necessary to move forward with implementing the Medium
term plan
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019>
.


> Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to
> tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
> think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
>

I don't see that Anders would have trouble "tolerating" the opposing
opinions. A "better tone and attitude" would mean to express our opinion in
less combative and more constructive ways. Maybe you meant to "Respect your
opinion", which implies a more positive judgement. Nuances can
differentiate between a civil and a tense atmosphere.


Aron
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:

> The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any
> firm community consensus rather than playing
> political games to get around it.
>

Political games, like requesting supermajority
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Partial_blocks#Supermajority_needed>
would
be best avoided, indeed.


> As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
> feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting
> out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
>

> Fae
>

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:38, Gerg? Tisza <gtisza@gmail.com> wrote:

> having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell
> you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback.
> That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and
> conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific
> purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often
> conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the
> movement often have opposing views.


¯\_(?)_/¯
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Best practices for a good consensus are not political games. However
dismissing the concerns of long term members of the community that the
strategy references in every recommendation, by extremely obvious tone
policing, is playing politics and marginalization.

Thanks for referencing my Commons work Aron.

Fae

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 20:24, Aron Manning <aronmanning5@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any
> > firm community consensus rather than playing
> > political games to get around it.
> >
>
> Political games, like requesting supermajority
> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Partial_blocks#Supermajority_needed
> >
> would
> be best avoided, indeed.
>
>
> > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
> > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> shouting
> > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> >
>
> > Fae
> >
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:38, Gerg? Tisza <gtisza@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell
> > you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback.
> > That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and
> > conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific
> > purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often
> > conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the
> > movement often have opposing views.
>
>
> ¯\_(?)_/¯
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Thank you, Andrew. These PDF files weren't there when I looked, but thanks
for pointing that out.



*Itzik Edri*
Chairperson (volunteer)
itzik@wikimedia.org.il
+972-54-5878078



On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:47 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the
> bottom of the introduction page:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
>
> Core:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_Core_document_in_English.pdf
>
> Extended:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Extended_doc_EN.pdf
>
> Cover note:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Cover_note_EN.pdf
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
> > A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who
> > invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
> >
> > Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the
> recommendations?
> > It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I
> find
> > it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
> >
> >
> > *Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson (volunteer)
> > itzik@wikimedia.org.il
> > +972-54-5878078
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Katherine,
> > >
> > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> feedback
> > > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect
> > > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > > talking to the wall?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> movement
> > > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
> > > behalf
> > > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
> > am
> > > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
> > > read
> > > > through, review, and comment.
> > > >
> > > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
> > > your
> > > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
> > > bring
> > > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > > >
> > > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > > >
> > > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> > discussions
> > > > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> research
> > > > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> > > > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > > significant
> > > > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
> and
> > > > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > > > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
> > the
> > > > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> > these
> > > > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> > > > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > > >
> > > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> German,
> > > > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> > > > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > > condensed
> > > > introduction to the recommendations material.
> > > >
> > > > == Share your feedback ==
> > > >
> > > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > > relevant
> > > > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> organizations
> > > that
> > > > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
> > > might
> > > > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > > > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
> on
> > > > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
> > > >
> > > > This round of community conversations will run until the first week
> of
> > > > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> > > > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
> and
> > > > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
> > as
> > > > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
> us
> > > > towards discussions around implementation.
> > > >
> > > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
> and
> > > > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> > meta
> > > > pages.
> > > >
> > > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> > invaluable
> > > > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > > knowledge.
> > > > And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> > > > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > > movement
> > > > we are today.
> > > >
> > > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> > looking
> > > > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Katherine
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > > [4]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > > [5]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > > [6]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > > [7]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > > [8]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> > > > ?
> > > > [9]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > > [10]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
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> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
Yes, thank you Andrew, that was actually what I was looking for. It is
simply very difficult e.g. to search for a sentence that somebody quoted
when the text is shattered over several pages and then with parts hidden as
"collapsable". (I do not blame or criticise somebody for that, it is just
that different ways to present texts have pros and cons.)
Kind regards,
Ziko

Am Mi., 22. Jan. 2020 um 10:05 Uhr schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il>:

> Thank you, Andrew. These PDF files weren't there when I looked, but thanks
> for pointing that out.
>
>
>
> *Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson (volunteer)
> itzik@wikimedia.org.il
> +972-54-5878078
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:47 PM Andrew Lih <andrew.lih@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the
> > bottom of the introduction page:
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> >
> > Core:
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_Core_document_in_English.pdf
> >
> > Extended:
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Extended_doc_EN.pdf
> >
> > Cover note:
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Cover_note_EN.pdf
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> >
> > > A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who
> > > invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
> > >
> > > Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the
> > recommendations?
> > > It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I
> > find
> > > it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson (volunteer)
> > > itzik@wikimedia.org.il
> > > +972-54-5878078
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen <toddmallen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Katherine,
> > > >
> > > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> > feedback
> > > > on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
> expect
> > > > anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> > > > talking to the wall?
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> > movement
> > > > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
> On
> > > > behalf
> > > > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
> writers, I
> > > am
> > > > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
> to
> > > > read
> > > > > through, review, and comment.
> > > > >
> > > > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
> 2020,
> > > > your
> > > > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
> can
> > > > bring
> > > > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > > > >
> > > > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
> > > discussions
> > > > > and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
> > research
> > > > > into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
> [2],
> > > > > writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
> > > > significant
> > > > > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
> > and
> > > > > every person who contributed to creating this work.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> > > > > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation
> of
> > > the
> > > > > principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
> > > these
> > > > > recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
> the
> > > > > recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
> > > > >
> > > > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
> > German,
> > > > > Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available
> in
> > > > > Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
> > > > condensed
> > > > > introduction to the recommendations material.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Share your feedback ==
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
> > > > relevant
> > > > > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
> > organizations
> > > > that
> > > > > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> > > > > recommendations and share their thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
> recommendations
> > > > might
> > > > > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> > > > > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
> groups
> > on
> > > > > other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
> structures.
> > > > >
> > > > > This round of community conversations will run until the first week
> > of
> > > > > March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish
> a
> > > > > summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
> > and
> > > > > other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
> role
> > > as
> > > > > the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
> > us
> > > > > towards discussions around implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
> > and
> > > > > please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
> > > meta
> > > > > pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
> > > invaluable
> > > > > skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
> > > > knowledge.
> > > > > And every single contribution made by every community member from
> the
> > > > > beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
> > > > movement
> > > > > we are today.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
> > > looking
> > > > > forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
> weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Katherine
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> > > > > [3]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> > > > > [4]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> > > > > [5]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> > > > > [6]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> > > > > [7]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> > > > > [8]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
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> > > > > [9]
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> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> > > > > [10]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation [ In reply to ]
The Wikimedia Strategy 2030 recommendations were published on January 20,
2020, but the language, size, and complexity can be a intimidating, even
for native English speakers.

I've attempted to summarize the recommendations into ONE PAGE, highlighting
key concepts, structures and processes mentioned in the 68 page document.

It's a work in progress, but I hope it helps to provide easier entry into
the full document. Feel free to provide suggestions, feedback and
reflections.

PDF uploaded to Commons in one A4 sheet:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:In_Brief_-_Wikimedia_Strategy_2030_-_One_Pager_-_January_2020.pdf

-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement
> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf
> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am
> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read
> through, review, and comment.
>
> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your
> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring
> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> ecosystem of free knowledge.
>
> == Review the recommendations ==
>
> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions
> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research
> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2],
> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant
> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and
> every person who contributed to creating this work.
>
> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13
> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the
> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these
> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the
> recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
>
> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German,
> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in
> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed
> introduction to the recommendations material.
>
> == Share your feedback ==
>
> In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant
> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that
> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the
> recommendations and share their thoughts.
>
> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might
> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are
> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on
> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
>
> This round of community conversations will run until the first week of
> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a
> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and
> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as
> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us
> towards discussions around implementation.
>
> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and
> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta
> pages.
>
> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable
> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge.
> And every single contribution made by every community member from the
> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement
> we are today.
>
> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking
> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
>
> Katherine
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#Second_phase
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> [5]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Principles
> [6]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Cover_note
> [7]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Process
> [8]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions#What_is_the_timeframe_for_all_of_this
> ?
> [9]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline
> [10]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions
>
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>
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>
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Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM
Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American
University, Columbia University, USC
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