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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?
Hi,

during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
long flight yesterday, here we go:
Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?

Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
team looked into this?

Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
"providers"?

Thanks and cheers,

Daniel

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain
in the ass.

And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight
(count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).

That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.

Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com>
a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> long flight yesterday, here we go:
> Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
>
> Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> team looked into this?
>
> Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> "providers"?
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
whether they made it scale, probably not.

Lodewijk

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info>
wrote:

> Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain
> in the ass.
>
> And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight
> (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
>
> That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
>
> Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com>
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> >
> > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > team looked into this?
> >
> > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > "providers"?
> >
> > Thanks and cheers,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add
weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would
be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have
significant certification issues.

James

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
wrote:

> I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
> onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
> whether they made it scale, probably not.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info>
> wrote:
>
> > Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
> pain
> > in the ass.
> >
> > And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
> weight
> > (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
> >
> > That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
> >
> > Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.
> com>
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> > >
> > > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > > team looked into this?
> > >
> > > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > > "providers"?
> > >
> > > Thanks and cheers,
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
Why stop at read-only content? Why not take advantage of people trapped in
a can for their flight time? You could solicit contributions from people,
most of whom probably have never contributed to Wikipedia before. You could
even gamify it based on competition between those on the same flight, one
flight against another, etc.

The technical difficulty here would be to support a system allowing
revisions from multiple sources with local clones of Wikipedia,
asynchronously, into the "source" Wikipedia. But it would be worth it.

Daren


On Jul 30, 2017 19:01, "James Heilman" <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:

Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add
weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would
be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have
significant certification issues.

James

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
wrote:

> I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
> onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
> whether they made it scale, probably not.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info>
> wrote:
>
> > Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
> pain
> > in the ass.
> >
> > And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
> weight
> > (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
> >
> > That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
> >
> > Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.
> com>
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> > >
> > > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > > team looked into this?
> > >
> > > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > > "providers"?
> > >
> > > Thanks and cheers,
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
On 30 July 2017 at 23:13, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info> wrote:

> airline will need a business case to cary more weight

How heavy is Wikipedia?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
Wouldn't there be significant bandwidth limitations on aircraft? So WMF
content would require additional storage. Presumably, only selected WMF
content would be actually carried on board, with other made available
on-demand.

On Jul 31, 2017 5:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

On 30 July 2017 at 23:13, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info> wrote:

> airline will need a business case to cary more weight

How heavy is Wikipedia?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment? [ In reply to ]
As it happens, as part of my early career in avionics, I was
responsible for the software side of the flight certification of the
first inflight entertainment systems, both for CAA and FAA. Unless the
interpretation of regulations has significantly changed, the snapshot
of Wikipedia(s) would have to be static and would need to be part of a
verified release bundle. As well as testing the way any software that
displays Wikipedia pages can behave, there may be issues with allowing
certain formats of images or videos which may contain dead code or
could potentially carry a virus, such as might happen with SVG files.
Testing this might turn out to be a bit complex for the qualification
process, unless they took the easy option of text-only versions.

Though the entertainment system is hosted in a secure "playpen", and
so by design should be unable to affect other systems, all boxes and
software on the aircraft have to be tested as flightworthy and the
specific configuration needs to be set down on paper, so live updates
that by-pass certification are unlikely to be allowed. Consequently
any version of Wikipedia used in-flight will always be lagging current
events of interest.

Fae

On 31 July 2017 at 01:01, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add
> weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would
> be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have
> significant certification issues.
>
> James
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
>> onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
>> whether they made it scale, probably not.
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim <pierre-selim@huard.info>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
>> pain
>> > in the ass.
>> >
>> > And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
>> weight
>> > (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
>> >
>> > That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
>> >
>> > Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.
>> com>
>> > a écrit :
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
>> > > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
>> > > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
>> > > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
>> > > long flight yesterday, here we go:
>> > > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
>> > > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
>> > >
>> > > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
>> > > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
>> > > team looked into this?
>> > >
>> > > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
>> > > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
>> > > "providers"?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks and cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Daniel
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
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