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[vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process
Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
release a new version. We need this exemption since those modules are
under the ASF license.

We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
that I think we can still go with the standard release process. But
this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
official release process needs.

Please vote!

Text of proposed motion:

'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
releases and be released directly to CPAN. With the large number of
sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
other ASF projects. Apache::Test continues to have participation from
httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'

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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
I'll +1 this, but i'm worried about the message it's going to send. I
haven't been on top of actually testing and +1'ing releases lately, but
i also feel like i could be, if i got a poke about actually getting it done.

Adam


On 7/25/2011 10:55 PM, Fred Moyer wrote:
> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
> release a new version. We need this exemption since those modules are
> under the ASF license.
>
> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
> that I think we can still go with the standard release process. But
> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
> official release process needs.
>
> Please vote!
>
> Text of proposed motion:
>
> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
> releases and be released directly to CPAN. With the large number of
> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
> other ASF projects. Apache::Test continues to have participation from
> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'
>
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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
On Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:55:52 Fred Moyer wrote:
> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
> release a new version. We need this exemption since those modules are
> under the ASF license.
>
> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
> that I think we can still go with the standard release process. But
> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
> official release process needs.
>
> Please vote!
>
> Text of proposed motion:
>
> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
> releases and be released directly to CPAN. With the large number of
> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
> other ASF projects. Apache::Test continues to have participation from
> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'

+1

Torsten Förtsch

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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
I'm hoping the message it will send is that the sub-releases of
Apache::* were successful enough that they have outgrown the core
mod_perl project. Our problem has not become a lack of votes, it has
become a large increase in the number of needed votes.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Adam Prime <adam.prime@utoronto.ca> wrote:
> I'll +1 this, but i'm worried about the message it's going to send.  I
> haven't been on top of actually testing and +1'ing releases lately, but i
> also feel like i could be, if i got a poke about actually getting it done.
>
> Adam
>
>
> On 7/25/2011 10:55 PM, Fred Moyer wrote:
>>
>> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
>> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
>> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
>> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
>> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
>> release a new version.  We need this exemption since those modules are
>> under the ASF license.
>>
>> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
>> that I think we can still go with the standard release process.  But
>> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
>> official release process needs.
>>
>> Please vote!
>>
>> Text of proposed motion:
>>
>> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
>> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
>> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
>> releases and be released directly to CPAN.  With the large number of
>> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
>> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
>> other ASF projects.  Apache::Test continues to have participation from
>> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
>> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'
>>
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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
+1 here. I took a long at some of the other ASF projects today.
Lucene has 2 major subprojects (solr and lucene), and their PMC
probably 2-3 times as big as ours.

2011/7/25 Torsten Förtsch <torsten.foertsch@gmx.net>:
> On Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:55:52 Fred Moyer wrote:
>> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
>> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
>> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
>> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
>> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
>> release a new version.  We need this exemption since those modules are
>> under the ASF license.
>>
>> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
>> that I think we can still go with the standard release process.  But
>> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
>> official release process needs.
>>
>> Please vote!
>>
>> Text of proposed motion:
>>
>> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
>> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
>> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
>> releases and be released directly to CPAN.  With the large number of
>> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
>> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
>> other ASF projects.  Apache::Test continues to have participation from
>> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
>> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'
>
> +1
>
> Torsten Förtsch
>
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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
On 11-07-28 00:05 , Fred Moyer wrote:
> +1 here. I took a long at some of the other ASF projects today.
> Lucene has 2 major subprojects (solr and lucene), and their PMC
> probably 2-3 times as big as ours.

+1 here too, making the release process itself easier/faster is always a
good IMO.

Does rise the question of whether we should even package these modules
in the release itself, or just release them separately.

I am preparing the report for the board, and I need to have it ready in
1-2 days, so let's just make sure we are happy with Fred's text (below)
and I'll submit it to the board.

Cheers.

> 2011/7/25 Torsten Förtsch <torsten.foertsch@gmx.net>:
>> On Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:55:52 Fred Moyer wrote:
>>> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
>>> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
>>> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
>>> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
>>> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
>>> release a new version. We need this exemption since those modules are
>>> under the ASF license.
>>>
>>> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
>>> that I think we can still go with the standard release process. But
>>> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
>>> official release process needs.
>>>
>>> Please vote!
>>>
>>> Text of proposed motion:
>>>
>>> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
>>> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
>>> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
>>> releases and be released directly to CPAN. With the large number of
>>> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
>>> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
>>> other ASF projects. Apache::Test continues to have participation from
>>> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
>>> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Torsten Förtsch
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Like fantasy? http://kabatinte.net
>>
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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Philippe M. Chiasson <gozer@apache.org> wrote:
> On 11-07-28 00:05 , Fred Moyer wrote:
>> +1 here.  I took a long at some of the other ASF projects today.
>> Lucene has 2 major subprojects (solr and lucene), and their PMC
>> probably 2-3 times as big as ours.
>
> +1 here too, making the release process itself easier/faster is always a
> good IMO.
>
> Does rise the question of whether we should even package these modules
> in the release itself, or just release them separately.

If modules are like cats, trying to package them in the release has
felt like herding cats. Bundling them together adds a small
convenience for the users, but is cumbersome on the release side.
Initially when I took on the 2.0.5 release I thought it could be done
without too much pain, but it takes resources which I think are better
allocated elsewhere.


> I am preparing the report for the board, and I need to have it ready in
> 1-2 days, so let's just make sure we are happy with Fred's text (below)
> and I'll submit it to the board.

Thanks for following up with this!

>
> Cheers.
>
>> 2011/7/25 Torsten Förtsch <torsten.foertsch@gmx.net>:
>>> On Tuesday, 26 July 2011 04:55:52 Fred Moyer wrote:
>>>> Getting the releases out for our sub distributions such as
>>>> Apache::Reload,Apache::SizeLimit,Apache::DBI has been a challenge.
>>>> With our current release processes, we need twelve +1 votes (3 for
>>>> core, 3 for AT/ASL/AR) to release a version of mod_perl with Apache::*
>>>> changes, whereas most ASF projects may only need three +1 votes to
>>>> release a new version.  We need this exemption since those modules are
>>>> under the ASF license.
>>>>
>>>> We have enough feedback from httpd core during Apache::Test releases
>>>> that I think we can still go with the standard release process.  But
>>>> this motion I propose to submit would exempt said modules from those
>>>> official release process needs.
>>>>
>>>> Please vote!
>>>>
>>>> Text of proposed motion:
>>>>
>>>> 'The mod_perl PMC petitions the ASF board to exempt the
>>>> Apache::Sizelimit, Apache::Reload, Apache::DBI, and Apache::Reload
>>>> modules to skip over the normal release rules governing ASF project
>>>> releases and be released directly to CPAN.  With the large number of
>>>> sub-projects the mod_perl project has spawned, the number of votes to
>>>> do a major mod_perl release can reach 12, which is 4x as much as some
>>>> other ASF projects.  Apache::Test continues to have participation from
>>>> httpd core members, and as such is consistently able to get enough
>>>> votes for releases, and does not need this exemption.'
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Torsten Förtsch
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [vote] Submit a motion to the ASF board to exempt Apache::* from the official release process [ In reply to ]
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Philippe M. Chiasson <gozer@apache.org> wrote:
> I am preparing the report for the board, and I need to have it ready in
> 1-2 days, so let's just make sure we are happy with Fred's text (below)
> and I'll submit it to the board.

Saw this got into the report. Any feedback from the board?

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