On 12/08/14 05:43, Sven Vermeulen wrote: > Hi all
> Just a heads-up for everybody - more information will follow of course.
> I have started copying the Gentoo handbooks to the Gentoo Wiki. Through
> transclusion and semantic wiki, which is supported on Gentoo Wiki, we are
> able to do similar reuse of blocks for the architectures.
> Given the low resources we are currently having, I think the move to the
> wiki will help us with keeping the instructions up to date.
> For now, please do not touch anything in the "Handbook:" namespace of the
> wiki as I'm going through the effort of migrating it.
> Information on translations and so on will follow.
> Sven Vermeulen
FANTASTIC! Good job!
OK, so, just so you know, the gentoo-embedded-handbook is excellent, but
in need of expansion to support either more sections, or a document
linked that is more focus on those new to embedded gentoo. I'm not
a gentoo-dev, but I'm hoping to include this work on the gentoo-wiki,
support the dev that is over the gentoo-embedded handbook, or move
it off of gentoo wiki. That is a decision that you and the
gentoo-embedded herd need to make.
Here is my recent email:
On 12/06/14 14:24, email@example.com wrote: > wireless <firstname.lastname@example.org> [14-12-06 20:12]:
>> On 12/06/14 13:38, email@example.com wrote:
>>> recently I bought a great little Linux board: Arietta G25
>>> Since I like Gentoo I installed it instead of the provided Debian
>>> system. The system I used to compile the kernel is -- of course -- a
>>> Gentoo -- Linux PC.
>> Fantastic effort there Meino!
>> Ok, so looking here:
>> I cannot determine who is the one to contact to
>> get this offering of current information, correctly
>> formatted to be included in the "boards" section
>> of the gentoo embedded handbook?
>> Next point, Meino has offered up a great bit of information
>> that surely does not belong in the Gentoo embedded handbook,
>> but is a great resource to encourage others how to go about
>> hacking away at a gentoo embedded project. So I think the
>> original email can be listed somewhere for others newer to
>> embedded gentoo hacking, as an example. Where would this
>> be placed? Linked to the handbook as "references" or "notes" or
>> "appendix 1" or such?
>> Also, if there is a format we want folks to follow should the
>> gentoo embedded project page have a suggested format to follow?
>> Many of those listing in the board section merely contain:
>> 1. Board specifications
>> 2. /proc/cpuinfo
>> Maybe the full possible format (optional for the contributor)
>> could have these additional categories:
>> bootstrap/init details
>> installed packages
>> cross compiling details
>> Native compiling details
>> Special code/hacks included
>> (such as netconsole.c)
>> ulibC, musl, bionic, glibc
>> Added hardware, such as a relay board to
>> power up and down other electronics as an example.
>> So, being a long time reader of gentoo embedded, I understand that
>> most folks in the gentoo-embedded-project space, are busy and have
>> a very deep and strong background in embedded linux. I also understand
>> that they do not need a robustly maintained gentoo-embedded-handbook.
>> But, if we are to encourage others to learn and develop into strong
>> gentoo-embedded hackers, then we should provide a pathway for their
>> needs. Expanding the scope of the gentoo-embedded-manual or creating
>> an ancillary document, with many more simplified steps, would be
>> an excellent first step to revitalizing gentoo-embedded, imho.
>> Personally, I'd like to see what the 64Bit arm devs have in mind for
>> the Gentoo embedded handbook, or as a minimized full (stage?) offering?
>> I've just been waiting for 64Bit arm boards to come down a bit in
>> price; ymmv.
>> I will defer to the leadership decision of the gentoo-embedded-project
>> James Horton
> Hi James,
> *thank you for your kind words!*
We're pals right? If so, lifting each other up
is very, very important. > If I understand it correctly, there are some things
> missing in my initial posting, which are:
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> Detailed description of the boards hardware
good start. It may be sufficient. Let's wait on some
wider feedback before you do more than this. OK? > What do you mean with "bootstrap/init" details?
> I simply compiled atp1bootsrap (acmessytems version)
> and it works...I have the strong feeling off missing
> something very important here...
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25232850/difference-between-bootloader-and-bootstrap-loader > I did not hack the kernel ... even the serial debug
> connector of the board was not used.
Ok, we'll worry about this once we get something officially
posted and folks try to use it and have questions. >
> What is missing to complete my posting?
Those categories I listed are an expanded list. You may
not need to put something in all of those categories
I listed. I am "jamming up" the gentoo embedded project
to think about embedded hackers like us. To make provisions
for such and give them ample opportunity to work with us,
before forming a noobs-embedded-gentoo group that works with
new embedded folks and provides much more of a 'turn-key'
embedded experience within gentoo. >
> Best regards,
None may even respond. At that point, I start a new embedded gentoo
project, for guys just like us. OK?