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On Jan 10, 2008 11:41 PM, Chris White <chris@ballisticcats.com> wrote:

> It's coming folks:
>
> "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> time their 'HD PVR', a USB personal video recorder which can record
> high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."
>
> "The connections to the set top boxes are made via component cables,
> also referred to as 'YPrPb' or the red/blue/green connectors on HD set
> top boxes."
>
> "The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail
> price of $249."
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
>
> Let me just say, yay!
>
> Now how long for a driver ;)
>
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Wow! That is great news. it doesn't say what the res will be of the output
file tho. we are assuming its the same as the source just re compressed.
coming from Hauppauge we would assume its a quality product and it does in
fact encode as we expect. (There are other cards that compress the file to
480i/p basically SD) Also, coming from hauppauge, who is a linux freiendly
company (they released there firmware GPL) and the excitement this brings to
the community dev work I assume would start rapidly.

Crossing fingers!

Mitchell

On Jan 10, 2008, at 9:52 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:

> On Jan 10, 2008 11:41 PM, Chris White <chris@ballisticcats.com> wrote:
> It's coming folks:
>
> "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> time their 'HD PVR', a USB personal video recorder which can record
> high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."
>
> "The connections to the set top boxes are made via component cables,
> also referred to as 'YPrPb' or the red/blue/green connectors on HD set
> top boxes."
>
> "The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail
> price of $249."
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
>
> Let me just say, yay!
>
> Now how long for a driver ;)

Best CES news EVER.

Linux driver will probably be available when it ships. I've got my
credit card poised and ready to go!

On Jan 11, 2008 12:52 AM, Mitch Gore <mitchell.gore@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 10, 2008 11:41 PM, Chris White <chris@ballisticcats.com> wrote:
>
> > It's coming folks:
> >
> > "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> > time their 'HD PVR', a USB personal video recorder which can record
> > high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."
> >
> > "The connections to the set top boxes are made via component cables,
> > also referred to as 'YPrPb' or the red/blue/green connectors on HD set
> > top boxes."
> >
> > "The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail
> > price of $249."
> >
> > http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
> >
> >
> > Let me just say, yay!
> >
> > Now how long for a driver ;)
> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> Wow! That is great news. it doesn't say what the res will be of the
> output file tho. we are assuming its the same as the source just re
> compressed. coming from Hauppauge we would assume its a quality product and
> it does in fact encode as we expect. (There are other cards that compress
> the file to 480i/p basically SD) Also, coming from hauppauge, who is a
> linux freiendly company (they released there firmware GPL) and the
> excitement this brings to the community dev work I assume would start
> rapidly.
>
> Crossing fingers!
>
> Mitchell
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That makes me happy.

Josh

On 01/11/2008 12:52 AM, Mitch Gore wrote:
> Also, coming from hauppauge, who is a linux freiendly company (they
> released there firmware GPL) and the excitement this brings to the
> community dev work I assume would start rapidly.

Never thought I would hear Hauppauge and Linux friendly in the same
sentence. If it wasn't for a very few dedicated people working on the
ivtv driver themselves (Kevin Thayer, Chris Kennedy, and Hans Verkuil -
apologies to Hans if I mispelled his name) there probably wouldn't even
be a Linux driver. It took a lot of negotiation to even be able to
redistribute the firmware. They finally released some documention, but
it is too little may to late to be considered "Linux friendly" IMNSHO.
They do have a few links on their web site to find the ivtv driver and
some of the development drivers for some of their cards. But still
there is no mention of Linux support for the PVR-USB2, another device
whose driver had to be reverse engineered.

Anyway I don't hold out much hope for Hauppauge releasing drivers or
information to create a Linux driver for this device. Please Hauppauge,
prove me wrong, I'll take two myself.

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On Jan 11, 2008 12:41 AM, Chris White <chris@ballisticcats.com> wrote:
> It's coming folks:
>
> "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> time their 'HD PVR', a USB personal video recorder which can record
> high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."
>
> "The connections to the set top boxes are made via component cables,
> also referred to as 'YPrPb' or the red/blue/green connectors on HD set
> top boxes."
>
> "The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail
> price of $249."
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
>
> Let me just say, yay!
>
> Now how long for a driver ;)
>
>

Found this forum post with additional info:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974452

Well, someone finally did it. A card that can do realtime hardware
encoding of an HD signal over component analog video. At CES,
Hauppauge is demoing a card that takes advantage of the analog hole
using a hardware x264 encoder that looks quite good.

The hauppauge box was quite interesting. USB connected, it has an
analog component encoder that can encode 720p, 1080i, and yes, 1080p
content in an H.264 format at data rates of 5 to 25 Mbps. This allows
for pretty good quality, though not as good as an R5000. The HD-DVD
disk player output they were encoding looked very good at 9 mbps.

The h.264 profile they are using is blue ray compatible, so a codec
that can playback BR content should be able to play this back too.
They also can take in SPDIF for multichannel audio recording, which is
synced in software to the video. It's fresh out of the engineering
lab, but they claim it will be in production and distribution in a
couple months for $250.

A friend of mine said a bunch of companies are working on this same
type of product, some farther along actually, and so we will likely
see a number of such products soon. The BOM for such a card is likely
sub $50, so the $250 price is high and is likely to come down soon
after there is more competition.

This is an ideal card to capture HD video from a cable or DBS STB over
it's component analog outputs. It appears from comments made on the
Sage forums by Sage staff that they have already been talking to
Hauppauge about this card and will have support for it in Sage TV
soon. Sage already supports x264 playback with a Cyberlink or other
codec, and the HD extender handles x264 playback fine as well, so this
is a great fit for SageTV.

While it's not as good as a R5000-HD which captures the raw digital
bitstream, this will be a good mainstream product that should be very
popular.
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On 1/11/08, Chris White <chris@ballisticcats.com> wrote:
>
> It's coming folks:
>
> "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> time their 'HD PVR', a USB personal video recorder which can record
> high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."
>
> "The connections to the set top boxes are made via component cables,
> also referred to as 'YPrPb' or the red/blue/green connectors on HD set
> top boxes."
>
> "The HD PVR will be available in Q1 2008, with a suggested retail
> price of $249."
>
>
> http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080110006038&newsLang=en
>

A little bit more info here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974452

-Jerry

Chris White wrote:
> It's coming folks:
>
> "Hauppauge Digital, Inc."..."demonstrated at CES 2008 for the first
> time their ‘HD PVR’, a USB personal video recorder which can record
> high definition TV video into H.264 in real time."

Well, I was at CES 2008 at the Hauppauge booth and specifically asked
them if they had this sort of product. The guy said that they were
working on it, but that it wasn't something that they could show/demo.

I guess I left CES one day too early.
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On 01/11/2008 10:31 AM, David George wrote:
> On 01/11/2008 12:52 AM, Mitch Gore wrote:
>
>> Also, coming from hauppauge, who is a linux freiendly company (they
>> released there firmware GPL) and the excitement this brings to the
>> community dev work I assume would start rapidly.
>>
> Never thought I would hear Hauppauge and Linux friendly in the same
> sentence. If it wasn't for a very few dedicated people working on the
> ivtv driver themselves (Kevin Thayer, Chris Kennedy, and Hans Verkuil -
> apologies to Hans if I mispelled his name) there probably wouldn't even
> be a Linux driver. It took a lot of negotiation to even be able to
> redistribute the firmware. They finally released some documention, but
> it is too little may to late to be considered "Linux friendly" IMNSHO.

All because Hauppauge is basically and integrator and has NDA's with all
the component manufacturers. If you want to see "not Linux friendly,"
talk to Canon or even Intel (read, manufacturer of Centrino)...

Mike
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David Brieck Jr. <dbrieck@gmail.com> quoted from AVSforum:
> This is an ideal card to capture HD video from a cable or DBS STB
> over it's component analog outputs.

This is one thing that concerns me because I've never used it, but
<URL:http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/images/dct6200_back.jpg>
shows a S/PDIF jack on the back of the DCT6200. I hope my boxes have
it enabled.

> It appears from comments made on the Sage forums by Sage staff that
> they have already been talking to Hauppauge about this card and will
> have support for it in Sage TV soon.

I hope IJR or someone else representing the developers contacts
Hauppauge, stat.

> Sage already supports x264 playback with a Cyberlink or other codec,
> and the HD extender handles x264 playback fine as well, so this is a
> great fit for SageTV.

I guess this means this box's users would all have to move to 0.21 for
the x264-playback support. I imagine many people who happily play back
MPEG-2 HD video today with their MythTV boxes would have to upgrade
their hardware due to x264's greater horsepower demands. I wonder how
my 3.0GHz Pentium 4 frontend/backend (with a remote database) and
Nvidia 6200TC would do?

I'm OK with the status quo given my cable company's untrammeled
FireWire, but the news that alternatives for all are indeed coming is
*wonderful*.

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Slave backend: Quad-core Xeon 1.6GHz, 6.6TB sw RAID 6
Video inputs: Four high-definition over FireWire/OTA
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On Jan 11, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Yeechang Lee wrote:

> David Brieck Jr. <dbrieck@gmail.com> quoted from AVSforum:
>> This is an ideal card to capture HD video from a cable or DBS STB
>> over it's component analog outputs.
>
> This is one thing that concerns me because I've never used it, but
> <URL:http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/images/dct6200_back.jpg>
> shows a S/PDIF jack on the back of the DCT6200. I hope my boxes have
> it enabled.

I've never heard of one not being enabled. Older receivers only have a
TOSLink connector. If it's a problem, just tell them it's the only
input you have and I'm sure they will accommodate.
> I guess this means this box's users would all have to move to 0.21 for
> the x264-playback support. I imagine many people who happily play back
> MPEG-2 HD video today with their MythTV boxes would have to upgrade
> their hardware due to x264's greater horsepower demands. I wonder how
> my 3.0GHz Pentium 4 frontend/backend (with a remote database) and
> Nvidia 6200TC would do?


Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
will play so we can test it out?
I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.

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On Jan 11, 2008 10:51 AM, Yeechang Lee <ylee@pobox.com> wrote:
> David Brieck Jr. <dbrieck@gmail.com> quoted from AVSforum:
> > This is an ideal card to capture HD video from a cable or DBS STB
> > over it's component analog outputs.
>
> This is one thing that concerns me because I've never used it, but
> <URL:http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/images/dct6200_back.jpg>
> shows a S/PDIF jack on the back of the DCT6200. I hope my boxes have
> it enabled.
>

I use the coaxial digital output from my cable box to go to my
receiver, and I know that works. I believe, but am not 100% certain,
that I have also tried the S/PDIF output with similar success. I have
the same cable provider that you have so I believe it should work for
you.
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On Jan 11, 2008 1:56 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
> will play so we can test it out?
> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
>
>

You could try out the material from Apple's gallery:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/
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On 01/11/2008 02:06 PM, David Brieck Jr. wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008 1:56 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
>> will play so we can test it out?
>> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
> You could try out the material from Apple's gallery:
> http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/

Be sure to compare resolution and frame rate as well as sync
(interlaced/progressive) or your test is useless. I.e. an Apple movie
trailer at "1080p" is often 1920x816 or so (I guess if you reuse the 0,
you can make 1080 out of those digits with a few to spare) rather than
1920x1080 and usually 24fps.

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On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
> will play so we can test it out?
> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
>

You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.

But anyway, just set your cable / sat receiver to output 720p and
everything will be converted to that. Playback might not be much more
intensive than playback of a 1080i TS with software deinterlacing (no
data on that, just conjecture).

Personally, if a day comes when 720p is considered a very base "low
res", I'll be a happy camper. :-D
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On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com wrote:

> On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
>> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
>> will play so we can test it out?
>> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
>>
>
> You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
> video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
> associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
> there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.

Except the one we're talking about in this thread.

I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
for 1080p to not use it.

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On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
> >> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
> >> will play so we can test it out?
> >> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
> >>
> >
> > You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
> > video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
> > associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
> > there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.
>
> Except the one we're talking about in this thread.
>
> I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
> for 1080p to not use it.
>
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What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD DVD and
Blu ray have 1080p!

Mitchell

On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com>
> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com > wrote:
> >> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
> >> will play so we can test it out?
> >> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
> >>
> >
> > You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
> > video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
> > associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
> > there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.
>
> Except the one we're talking about in this thread.
>
> I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
> for 1080p to not use it.
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> What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD
> DVD and Blu ray have 1080p!

None, yet. That's the problem. But according to this new Hauppauge
device, I'll be able to capture my BluRay and HD-DVD's with it as
1080p and play back with my myth box.

On Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:

> On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:
>
> On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com > wrote:
> > >> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
> > >> will play so we can test it out?
> > >> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
> > >>
> > >
> > > You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
> > > video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
> > > associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
> > > there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.
> >
> > Except the one we're talking about in this thread.
> >
> > I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
> > for 1080p to not use it.
> >
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>
>
> What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD DVD and
> Blu ray have 1080p!
>
>
> None, yet. That's the problem. But according to this new Hauppauge device,
> I'll be able to capture my BluRay and HD-DVD's with it as 1080p and play
> back with my myth box.
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But then you are still removing quality from the movie. You wont get the
advanced audio codecs (HDMI only). And Most movies you only get 1080p over
HDMI w/HDCP. AFAIK, all players output a lower res over component. So at
this point.

loading the disc is the best option until AACS and BD+ is cracked for linux
and we have h.264 video card offload.

Mitchell

Mitchell

On 01/11/2008 03:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com
> <mailto:myth@dermanouelian.com>> wrote:
>
> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com
> <mailto:lemongecko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
> for 1080p to not use it.
>
>
>
> What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD DVD
> and Blu ray have 1080p!

Where does he say he is watching 1080p TV? He says he has a 1080p
display as several people do (including me). Also, ATSC has 18 formats
and two are 1080p (1080p24 and 1080p30). Here is a link for you:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html

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On Jan 11, 2008 2:33 PM, David George <david@thegeorges.us> wrote:

> On 01/11/2008 03:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:
> > On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com
> > <mailto:myth@dermanouelian.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com
> > <mailto:lemongecko@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
> > for 1080p to not use it.
> >
> >
> >
> > What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD DVD
> > and Blu ray have 1080p!
>
> Where does he say he is watching 1080p TV? He says he has a 1080p
> display as several people do (including me). Also, ATSC has 18 formats
> and two are 1080p (1080p24 and 1080p30). Here is a link for you:
> http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html
>
> --
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I have a 1080p TV as well. But there is not content currently produced that
is 1080p over component cables!

HD DVD and BluRay are down converted over component and you can not get the
advanced audio. Only DTS or Dobly Digital or optical. Not DTS-MA, Tru HD,
etc. as its HDMI/HDCP only.

Mitchell

On 1/11/08, David George <david@thegeorges.us> wrote:
> On 01/11/2008 03:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:
>
> Where does he say he is watching 1080p TV? He says he has a 1080p
> display as several people do (including me). Also, ATSC has 18 formats
> and two are 1080p (1080p24 and 1080p30). Here is a link for you:
> http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html
>

That's great, but none of the broadcasters are using it anything
beyond 720p/1080i and won't be any time during the product lifecycle
of this new Hauppauge device. Those two ATSC subspecs are effectively
irrelevant.

As otherwise mentioned, 1080i is the highest thing you're going to get
out of component. Oh, not because it's physically impossible to do.
Implementing 1080p 10 years ago when the first HDTVs rolled out was
insanely cost-prohibitive. Since the TVs didn't support it, the tuners
didn't bother, because it would have been more expensive for them,
too. And the only reason the content producers let us get away with it
today is because the cat is out of the bag, so to speak. They saw the
potential of HD discs to deliver master-quality video and thus created
the new interface.

Armed with that, what's the purpose of the device? Seems to me it's
for recording the "lesser" video standards. From a cable box, maybe
even a satellite tuner. You know, the kind of stuff you might want to
capture with a PVR?

I get the whole "but I want my 1080p" thing. However, I was replying
to a poster that was concerned about his processor being unable to
cope. I suggested another option.
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Mitch Gore [mitchell.gore@gmail.com] wrote:
> I have a 1080p TV as well. But there is not content currently produced that
> is 1080p over component cables!
>
> HD DVD and BluRay are down converted over component and you can not get the
> advanced audio. Only DTS or Dobly Digital or optical. Not DTS-MA, Tru HD,
> etc. as its HDMI/HDCP only.

Are you talking about the ICT (Image Constraint Token) that downscales
to 960x540 when outputting via a non HDCP output, or something else?
As far as I know, the ICT is not currently in use on any shipping
HDDVD or BD disc.

BTW, I wonder if the hdfury is real, and if it could provide an escape
hatch. I should probably buy some before they get sued out of existence.

Drew
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On 01/11/2008 03:14 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2008 2:06 PM, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:59 AM, lemongecko@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 1/11/08, Brad DerManouelian <myth@dermanouelian.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have any full-res h.264 sample content that mplayer or xine
>>>> will play so we can test it out?
>>>> I'm hoping I don't have to upgrade my AMD X2 4200+ already.
>>> You know what rocks? It hardly matters. You don't HAVE to encode the
>>> video at 1080p, incurring all the CPU (and bitrate!) penalties
>>> associated. In fact, I can't think of a single consumer product out
>>> there that dumps a 1080p signal out via component video.
>>>
>> Except the one we're talking about in this thread.
>>
>> I *want* 1080p to match the 1080p display I have. I didn't pay extra
>> for 1080p to not use it.
> What TV are you viewing in 1080p? The highest is 1080i. Only HD DVD and
> Blu ray have 1080p!

Perhaps you haven't heard of the 1080p24 and 1080p30 formats that are
/required/ by ATSC ( http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html
). Are you sure no one is broadcasting in 1080p24? While I don't know
of any broadcasters changing resolution (i.e. from a 1080 resolution to
a 720 resolution), I /do/ know a lot of them change refresh rate (i.e.
commercial breaks often have video at different refresh rates from the
program). IMHO, it would make a /lot/ of sense for a 1080-res
broadcaster to broadcast a movie (i.e. filmed at 24fps) in 1080p24
rather than telecine the content to 1080i60, though I've never checked
to see if any do.

That said, many TV's do not support 1080p video through Component, so
there's probably a lot of STB's, etc., that won't output 1080p via
Component.

Mike
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On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Mitch Gore wrote:

> I have a 1080p TV as well. But there is not content currently
> produced that is 1080p over component cables!

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/videooutput.html

That says you're wrong.

> HD DVD and BluRay are down converted over component and you can not
> get the advanced audio. Only DTS or Dobly Digital or optical. Not
> DTS-MA, Tru HD, etc. as its HDMI/HDCP only.
>
> Mitchell


I don't use HDMI so whatever "enhanced" audio stuff is lost on me
anyway since my receiver will only take S/PIDIF for digital audio. So
my plan is to real-time capture a BluRay movie from the PS3 via
component/S/PDIF the first time I watch it with the new Hauppauge
device and then watch it with my Myth box every time after that. I
understand there will be compression beyond BluRay, but isn't that the
point of the device over just ripping the disc and bypassing the
encryption of the data?
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