Mailing List Archive: 2.0.0?

2.0.0?

david at kineticode

Feb 8, 2010, 9:55 AM

Post #1 of 22 (12123 views)

Fellow Bricoleurs,

So, the beta has been out for about 10 days, and only two bugs have been reported.

http://bricolage.lighthouseapp.com/projects/29601-bricolage/milestones/61923-200

So I'm thinking it's time to get 2.0.0 finally out the door. A number of things need to happen before we're ready to do that:

* Those bugs need to be fixed (plus the one Alex is working on)

* A marketing-focused list of changes needs to be created. It would cover everything in Bric::Changes each of the 1.11 releases, but would be written in plain-ish English so that people can get excited about the changes.

* A press press kit needs to be created. It doesn't have to be long; the PostgreSQL kits make nice examples: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html. A couple of quotes would be useful, perhaps from Gossamer, The WHO, The Tyee, New Internationalist, or some others.

* A brief announcement needs to be written. It can be similar to what we've created before, but ought to link to the Changes list and the press kit.

* The announcement should also be rejiggered for use on other sites (like FreshMeat) and mail list posts (pgsql-announce, modperl-announce, mysql-announce, php-announce, etc.). We should create a list of lists we want to post to and adapt drafts for each as appropriate.

* The Web site needs updating. Phillip is working on this, and it doesn't *have* to be done for the new version, but it'd be nice if they coincided.

* The source needs to be tested, packaged up, and released.

I have the ability to do any and all of these tasks, but not the tuits. I need your help. If you think you can contribute to this effort, please do! What bits of the above can you do in the next week or so? Please reply to this thread and we'll get a schedule together.

Oh, and if there's anything else you think we should do to help promote this release, reply with that information, too. I want this to be a big release, and to garner some attention, don't you?

Thanks,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

Feb 8, 2010, 3:34 PM

Post #2 of 22 (12027 views)

I will make one more round of bug testing this week. Time permitting, I'll offer my services on the content creation.

-Matt

On Feb 8, 2010, at 12:55 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> Fellow Bricoleurs,
>
> So, the beta has been out for about 10 days, and only two bugs have been reported.
>
> http://bricolage.lighthouseapp.com/projects/29601-bricolage/milestones/61923-200
>
> So I'm thinking it's time to get 2.0.0 finally out the door. A number of things need to happen before we're ready to do that:
>
> * Those bugs need to be fixed (plus the one Alex is working on)
>
> * A marketing-focused list of changes needs to be created. It would cover everything in Bric::Changes each of the 1.11 releases, but would be written in plain-ish English so that people can get excited about the changes.
>
> * A press press kit needs to be created. It doesn't have to be long; the PostgreSQL kits make nice examples: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html. A couple of quotes would be useful, perhaps from Gossamer, The WHO, The Tyee, New Internationalist, or some others.
>
> * A brief announcement needs to be written. It can be similar to what we've created before, but ought to link to the Changes list and the press kit.
>
> * The announcement should also be rejiggered for use on other sites (like FreshMeat) and mail list posts (pgsql-announce, modperl-announce, mysql-announce, php-announce, etc.). We should create a list of lists we want to post to and adapt drafts for each as appropriate.
>
> * The Web site needs updating. Phillip is working on this, and it doesn't *have* to be done for the new version, but it'd be nice if they coincided.
>
> * The source needs to be tested, packaged up, and released.
>
> I have the ability to do any and all of these tasks, but not the tuits. I need your help. If you think you can contribute to this effort, please do! What bits of the above can you do in the next week or so? Please reply to this thread and we'll get a schedule together.
>
> Oh, and if there's anything else you think we should do to help promote this release, reply with that information, too. I want this to be a big release, and to garner some attention, don't you?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

email at buelskaemper

Feb 9, 2010, 1:04 AM

Post #3 of 22 (12021 views)

That's good news!
My english keeps me off writing marketing material, but i'll offer my time to translate into german and spread a german press kit.
It would also be nice to publish the new website also in german, at least the marketing relevant sections. The domain bricolage.de could be integrated, too.

Regards
Guido

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Feb 23, 2010, 11:13 AM

Post #4 of 22 (11943 views)

On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:

> I will make one more round of bug testing this week. Time permitting, I'll offer my services on the content creation.

So I'm looking to fix all open bugs and package this bad boy up for release this week. You had a chance to do this, Matt?

Also, I need some help getting the release ready. Who can take on one or more of these tasks?

* A marketing-focused list of changes needs to be created. It would cover everything in Bric::Changes each of the 1.11 releases, but would be written in plain-ish English so that people can get excited about the changes.

* A press press kit needs to be created. It doesn't have to be long; the PostgreSQL kits make nice examples: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html. A couple of quotes would be useful, perhaps from Gossamer, The WHO, The Tyee, New Internationalist, or some others.

* A brief announcement needs to be written. It can be similar to what we've created before, but ought to link to the Changes list and the press kit.

* The announcement should also be rejiggered for use on other sites (like FreshMeat) and mail list posts (pgsql-announce, modperl-announce, mysql-announce, php-announce, etc.). We should create a list of lists we want to post to and adapt drafts for each as appropriate.

* The Web site needs updating. Phillip is working on this, and it doesn't *have* to be done for the new version, but it'd be nice if they coincided.

* The source needs to be tested, packaged up, and released.

Also, Alex, have you figured out the proper fix for the PHP burner on Perl 5.10? And Phillip, can you send me a logo for use in the distribution?

Thanks,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

phillip at communitybandwidth

Feb 23, 2010, 2:51 PM

Post #5 of 22 (11921 views)

On 23-Feb-10, at 2:13 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> And Phillip, can you send me a logo for use in the distribution?

Attached. :-)

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Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

alex at gossamer-threads

Feb 25, 2010, 12:35 PM

Post #6 of 22 (11900 views)

Hi,

> Also, Alex, have you figured out the proper fix for the PHP burner on
> Perl 5.10? And Phillip, can you send me a logo for use in the
> distribution?

Oops! Sorry, dropped off the radar. =)

alex@alex ~/junk/bricoleurs-bricolage-d63146d/lib/Bric/Util/Burner $ diff -u PHP.pm.orig PHP.pm
--- PHP.pm.orig 2010-02-24 19:40:03.000000000 -0800
+++ PHP.pm 2010-02-25 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
@@ -71,7 +71,10 @@
do {
no strict 'refs';
while ( my ($k, $v) = each %{TEMPLATE_BURN_PKG . '::'} ) {
- if (my $type = first { defined *{$v}{$_} }
+ # Perl 5.10 stores constants in the symbol table as scalar refs
+ if (ref $v eq 'SCALAR') {
+ $vars{$k} = $$v;
+ } elsif (my $type = first { defined *{$v}{$_} }
qw(CODE HASH ARRAY IO GLOB FORMAT)
) {
# Use the reference to the variable. IOs can be used directly.
alex@alex ~/junk/bricoleurs-bricolage-d63146d/lib/Bric/Util/Burner $

Tested and works in 5.10.1 and makes constants available.

Cheers,

Alex

--
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Gossamer Threads Inc. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/
Tel: (604) 687-5804 Fax: (604) 687-5806

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Feb 25, 2010, 1:07 PM

Post #7 of 22 (11905 views)

On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Alex Krohn wrote:

> Oops! Sorry, dropped off the radar. =)
>
> alex@alex ~/junk/bricoleurs-bricolage-d63146d/lib/Bric/Util/Burner $ diff -u PHP.pm.orig PHP.pm
> --- PHP.pm.orig 2010-02-24 19:40:03.000000000 -0800
> +++ PHP.pm 2010-02-25 12:30:47.000000000 -0800
> @@ -71,7 +71,10 @@
> do {
> no strict 'refs';
> while ( my ($k, $v) = each %{TEMPLATE_BURN_PKG . '::'} ) {
> - if (my $type = first { defined *{$v}{$_} }
> + # Perl 5.10 stores constants in the symbol table as scalar refs
> + if (ref $v eq 'SCALAR') {
> + $vars{$k} = $$v;
> + } elsif (my $type = first { defined *{$v}{$_} }
> qw(CODE HASH ARRAY IO GLOB FORMAT)
> ) {
> # Use the reference to the variable. IOs can be used directly.
> alex@alex ~/junk/bricoleurs-bricolage-d63146d/lib/Bric/Util/Burner $
>
> Tested and works in 5.10.1 and makes constants available.

Thanks. Does it work with 5.8, too? Also, what should the Changes item for this say?

Best,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

alex at gossamer-threads

Feb 25, 2010, 2:09 PM

Post #8 of 22 (11904 views)

Hi David,

> Thanks. Does it work with 5.8, too?

Yes. There are no entries that are scalar refs, so the first if never
happens.

> Also, what should the Changes item for this say?

Something like:

In Perl 5.10, constants are now stored in the symbol table as scalar
references and not globs.

Cheers,

Alex

--
Alex Krohn <alex@gossamer-threads.com>
Gossamer Threads Inc. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/
Tel: (604) 687-5804 Fax: (604) 687-5806

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Feb 25, 2010, 3:47 PM

Post #9 of 22 (11902 views)

On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:09 PM, Alex Krohn wrote:

>> Also, what should the Changes item for this say?
>
> Something like:
>
> In Perl 5.10, constants are now stored in the symbol table as scalar
> references and not globs.

Yes, but how did this problem exhibit itself in Burner::PHP?

/me digs into the archives…

Okay, here you go:

http://github.com/bricoleurs/bricolage/commit/b05f7c8437a63699a52c3f20bc1fb7760ad6d7aa

That work?

Best,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Feb 25, 2010, 3:51 PM

Post #10 of 22 (11906 views)

On Feb 25, 2010, at 3:47 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> Okay, here you go:
>
> http://github.com/bricoleurs/bricolage/commit/b05f7c8437a63699a52c3f20bc1fb7760ad6d7aa

Gah! I fixed the bogus "71" at the top of the file and pushed that, too.

Thanks,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Mar 10, 2010, 1:15 PM

Post #11 of 22 (11644 views)

Fellow Bricoleurs,

I've been fixing bugs and Phillip has been creating the new site. Several of you have been testing the new version and reporting bugs. Thank you.

To the rest of you: How are you going to help get 2.0 out the door? We could really use some help with the documentation materials (press kit, changes in plain English, etc.).

Thanks,

David

On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:13 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I will make one more round of bug testing this week. Time permitting, I'll offer my services on the content creation.
>
> So I'm looking to fix all open bugs and package this bad boy up for release this week. You had a chance to do this, Matt?
>
> Also, I need some help getting the release ready. Who can take on one or more of these tasks?
>
> * A marketing-focused list of changes needs to be created. It would cover everything in Bric::Changes each of the 1.11 releases, but would be written in plain-ish English so that people can get excited about the changes.
>
> * A press press kit needs to be created. It doesn't have to be long; the PostgreSQL kits make nice examples: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html. A couple of quotes would be useful, perhaps from Gossamer, The WHO, The Tyee, New Internationalist, or some others.
>
> * A brief announcement needs to be written. It can be similar to what we've created before, but ought to link to the Changes list and the press kit.
>
> * The announcement should also be rejiggered for use on other sites (like FreshMeat) and mail list posts (pgsql-announce, modperl-announce, mysql-announce, php-announce, etc.). We should create a list of lists we want to post to and adapt drafts for each as appropriate.
>
> * The Web site needs updating. Phillip is working on this, and it doesn't *have* to be done for the new version, but it'd be nice if they coincided.
>
> * The source needs to be tested, packaged up, and released.
>
> Also, Alex, have you figured out the proper fix for the PHP burner on Perl 5.10? And Phillip, can you send me a logo for use in the distribution?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

bret at pectopah

Mar 11, 2010, 7:30 AM

Post #12 of 22 (11623 views)

Hi everybody,

Sorry so be silent on this for so long.

Anyway, I'm happy to write up the changes, if early next week isn't too
late.

Talk to you soon,

Bret

On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:15 -0800, David E.Wheeler wrote:
> Fellow Bricoleurs,
>
> I've been fixing bugs and Phillip has been creating the new site. Several of you have been testing the new version and reporting bugs. Thank you.
>
> To the rest of you: How are you going to help get 2.0 out the door? We could really use some help with the documentation materials (press kit, changes in plain English, etc.).
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:13 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:
> >
> >> I will make one more round of bug testing this week. Time permitting, I'll offer my services on the content creation.
> >
> > So I'm looking to fix all open bugs and package this bad boy up for release this week. You had a chance to do this, Matt?
> >
> > Also, I need some help getting the release ready. Who can take on one or more of these tasks?
> >
> > * A marketing-focused list of changes needs to be created. It would cover everything in Bric::Changes each of the 1.11 releases, but would be written in plain-ish English so that people can get excited about the changes.
> >
> > * A press press kit needs to be created. It doesn't have to be long; the PostgreSQL kits make nice examples: http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html. A couple of quotes would be useful, perhaps from Gossamer, The WHO, The Tyee, New Internationalist, or some others.
> >
> > * A brief announcement needs to be written. It can be similar to what we've created before, but ought to link to the Changes list and the press kit.
> >
> > * The announcement should also be rejiggered for use on other sites (like FreshMeat) and mail list posts (pgsql-announce, modperl-announce, mysql-announce, php-announce, etc.). We should create a list of lists we want to post to and adapt drafts for each as appropriate.
> >
> > * The Web site needs updating. Phillip is working on this, and it doesn't *have* to be done for the new version, but it'd be nice if they coincided.
> >
> > * The source needs to be tested, packaged up, and released.
> >
> > Also, Alex, have you figured out the proper fix for the PHP burner on Perl 5.10? And Phillip, can you send me a logo for use in the distribution?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
>
>

--
Bret Dawson
Producer
Pectopah Productions Inc.
(416) 895-7635
bret@pectopah.com
www.pectopah.com

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Mar 11, 2010, 1:03 PM

Post #13 of 22 (11634 views)

On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Bret Dawson wrote:

> Anyway, I'm happy to write up the changes, if early next week isn't too
> late.

That'd be great Bret, thanks. You don't need to cover any of the bug fixes, but all the new features and improvements listed for 1.11.x should be covered in such a way to get people excited. Do-able?

Thanks,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

bret at pectopah

Mar 11, 2010, 1:26 PM

Post #14 of 22 (11630 views)

Heck yes. I'm excited about the new features, so the rest of teh
interwebs should be too.

Cheers,

Bret

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 13:03 -0800, David E. Wheeler wrote:
> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Bret Dawson wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I'm happy to write up the changes, if early next week isn't too
> > late.
>
> That'd be great Bret, thanks. You don't need to cover any of the bug fixes, but all the new features and improvements listed for 1.11.x should be covered in such a way to get people excited. Do-able?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>

--
Bret Dawson
Producer
Pectopah Productions Inc.
(416) 895-7635
bret@pectopah.com
www.pectopah.com

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

Mar 14, 2010, 5:59 PM

Post #15 of 22 (11584 views)

I was able to take another sweep through the interface tonight and found a few things. I can also help with documentation or whatever else is needed.

-Matt

On Mar 11, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Bret Dawson wrote:

> Heck yes. I'm excited about the new features, so the rest of teh
> interwebs should be too.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bret
>
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 13:03 -0800, David E. Wheeler wrote:
>> On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Bret Dawson wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, I'm happy to write up the changes, if early next week isn't too
>>> late.
>>
>> That'd be great Bret, thanks. You don't need to cover any of the bug fixes, but all the new features and improvements listed for 1.11.x should be covered in such a way to get people excited. Do-able?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bret Dawson
> Producer
> Pectopah Productions Inc.
> (416) 895-7635
> bret@pectopah.com
> www.pectopah.com
>

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Mar 15, 2010, 8:24 AM

Post #16 of 22 (11584 views)

On Mar 14, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:

> I was able to take another sweep through the interface tonight and found a few things. I can also help with documentation or whatever else is needed.

Thanks Matt!

How are you at writing press-friendly stuff?

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 2010, 9:03 AM

Post #17 of 22 (11596 views)

On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:24 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> Thanks Matt!
>
> How are you at writing press-friendly stuff?

I have a bit of experience in that area. Would be happy to put it to use.

-Matt

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Mar 15, 2010, 9:06 AM

Post #18 of 22 (11590 views)

On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:

>> How are you at writing press-friendly stuff?
>
> I have a bit of experience in that area. Would be happy to put it to use.

Excellent. The PostgreSQL 8.4 press kit is a good example.

http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html

Seem do-able?

Thanks,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

Mar 15, 2010, 11:33 AM

Post #19 of 22 (11582 views)

Sure, I'll work on it tonight. I'll be around the IRC and chats.

-Matt

On Mar 15, 2010, at 12:06 PM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:
>
>>> How are you at writing press-friendly stuff?
>>
>> I have a bit of experience in that area. Would be happy to put it to use.
>
> Excellent. The PostgreSQL 8.4 press kit is a good example.
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html
>
> Seem do-able?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

bret at pectopah

Mar 18, 2010, 1:16 PM

Post #20 of 22 (11557 views)

Hi everybody,

I just thought I should check in to apologize for the slow delivery of
the changes write-up. Somehow a holiday week visiting my parents offers
vastly fewer free hours than a typical workweek does.

Still, I've made some good progress and should have something to send
you tomorrow.

Thanks for your patience, and talk to you soon,

Bret

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 16:26 -0500, Bret Dawson wrote:
> Heck yes. I'm excited about the new features, so the rest of teh
> interwebs should be too.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bret
>
> On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 13:03 -0800, David E. Wheeler wrote:
> > On Mar 11, 2010, at 7:30 AM, Bret Dawson wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, I'm happy to write up the changes, if early next week isn't too
> > > late.
> >
> > That'd be great Bret, thanks. You don't need to cover any of the bug fixes, but all the new features and improvements listed for 1.11.x should be covered in such a way to get people excited. Do-able?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>
>

--
Bret Dawson
Producer
Pectopah Productions Inc.
(416) 895-7635
bret@pectopah.com
www.pectopah.com

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Mar 18, 2010, 6:32 PM

Post #21 of 22 (11553 views)

On Mar 18, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Bret Dawson wrote:

> I just thought I should check in to apologize for the slow delivery of
> the changes write-up. Somehow a holiday week visiting my parents offers
> vastly fewer free hours than a typical workweek does.
>
> Still, I've made some good progress and should have something to send
> you tomorrow.

Great to hear, Bret, many thanks.

Best,

David

Re: 2.0.0? [ In reply to ]

david at kineticode

Apr 2, 2010, 7:10 PM

Post #22 of 22 (11365 views)

On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:06 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2010, at 9:03 AM, Rolf, Matthew wrote:
>
>>> How are you at writing press-friendly stuff?
>>
>> I have a bit of experience in that area. Would be happy to put it to use.
>
> Excellent. The PostgreSQL 8.4 press kit is a good example.
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/about/press/presskit84.html

Hey Matt,

Where are things with this? I was hoping to release on Monday. Do we need to put it off a few days?

Thanks,

David